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| krrbl123 |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 18:42:59
Hi, we have a couple of young royals male and female, at the moment they are in separate rubs but was just wondering if they could share a viv together, we will be getting another female around june time. if so what size viv would be ok for 3 royals. Another question is i work in a school and take my parrots and pet rats in for the children to see and was wondering what the royals would be like, they love being held and still eat like pig a day after holding them lol ive seen bigger pythons being used for parties and thing so just woundered if these would be ok too , thanks kerry |
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| anatess |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 03:18:06
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Originally posted by austin_89
Yep! If i couldnt tell what mood Kane's in i'd have been bitten a few times by now! 
And see, that's the thing. My snakes tolerate being held. I wouldn't call it that they're "happy" that they're held. I'd even go on to say they'd rather be left alone. |
| austin_89 |
Posted - 03/02/2012 : 20:29:47
Yep! If i couldnt tell what mood Kane's in i'd have been bitten a few times by now! |
| n/a |
Posted - 03/02/2012 : 20:24:36
Yeah, it's unmistakeable, isn't it? |
| austin_89 |
Posted - 03/02/2012 : 20:19:06
I know exactly what you mean, i know when my snake, dog and cat are not in the mood to be handled/fussed with. |
| n/a |
Posted - 03/02/2012 : 19:45:21
Ummm....I think I can tell what mood my snakes are in. They certainly have their own ways of indicating what they like and want.
For decades I've been able to tell how an animal is by its 'feel'. Or even its 'atmosphere'.
(For fear of ridicule I won't elaborate any further ...)
Sorry if this sounds too new age, and I can't describe it precisely, but there may be others on here who know what I mean. |
| anatess |
Posted - 03/02/2012 : 17:10:52
Not to rag on anybody here...
I hear this all the time - my snakes are happy.
How do you know?
I mean, my dog, I can tell you when he's happy. I can even tell you when my rats are happy. But the snakes - nope. Can't tell you.
I can tell you when they're stressed, I can tell you when they're hungry, I can tell you when they're uncomfortable. But no, I can't tell you if they're happy or not. |
| venommum2011 |
Posted - 03/02/2012 : 17:02:44
I also keep my two royals together and am quite aware when they have shed, I also feed them outside their viv and they are happy and healthy. |
| austin_89 |
Posted - 03/02/2012 : 10:06:02
I don't feed my Staffy tinned meat cause it can rot their teeth and give them really bad breath, my uncle told me to give him raw chicken legs but the missus wont let me cause she's worried bout him choking cause they splinter!  I've found that the beef bones make him constipated! |
| anatess |
Posted - 03/02/2012 : 04:44:02
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Originally posted by JanieW
anatess where are you then? Here in the UK Pedigree Chum is one of the best brands of tinned dog meat..tho Bertie turns his nose up lol..I feed him frozen poultry throats raw..his fav.
and before anybody makes the obvious comment about chicken bones lol they are produced for dogs and have been recommended by my vet:)
Janie, I'm in Florida.
Pedigree Chum is... what do you call it in the UK... RUBBISH!
Okay, look at your Pedigree Chum tin and check out the ingredients, you should see this:
Meat and animal derivatives (min 4% chicken/beef etc) Cereals (min 4% rice) Oils and fats, Derivatives of vegtable origin, minerals.
FOUR PERCENT meat. And it's mystery meat to boot. Can you tell me what's in that tin? You can't. Because Pedigree, by virtue of its rubbishness, adopts an "open formula" labeling system in the UK because they can get away with it. They can't get away with that in the US - we got stricter labeling laws. Now, when a tin of dog food says "meat and animal derivatives", it can mean good quality chicken, or it can mean diseased, chemically euthanized slaughterhouse waste. It can mean high quality filet mignon or it can be opposum roadkill! You have no way of knowing. So, if Pedigree prides itself on being such a high quality dog food, why doesn't Pedigree just say "good quality chicken and beef" in the ingredient list? Because, they want to be able to put opposum in there without having to tell you about it!
Okay, let's compare Pedigree Chum to Arden Grange Partners - a UK dog food company that uses "closed formula" labeling. Here's what you will find in the back of Arden Grange Partners tin:
Ingredients:
Fresh Chicken (70%), Rice (5%), Peas (0.5%), Carrots (0.5%), Pumpkin Meal, Beet Pulp, Fish Oil, Minerals, Vitamins, Seaweed Extract, Glucosamine, Chondroitin, Cranberry Extract, Yucca Extract and Nucleotides.
Fresh chicken - 70%. SEVENTY PERCENT chicken compared to FOUR PERCENT of the Pedigree mystery meat. Granted, Fresh Chicken has a lot of water content, but the meat part won't be only 4% of the chicken!
So yeah, if I was Bertie, I'd turn my nose up on that Pedigree Chum too!
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| n/a |
Posted - 31/01/2012 : 18:06:51
Oh dear, poor Bert - that's unlucky, but from my (limited) experience of Staffies they do sound sort of ...exuberant. Or extravagant lol.
I used to feed my Alsatian, my Alsatian/collie and my 2 JRs raw butcher bones, plus cooked marrowbone type things and they were ok ...but cooked lamb bones although digested used to cause constipation ...I've since learned that cooked lamb/beef bones aren't good either.
Glad Bert survived his ordeal. |
| JanieW |
Posted - 31/01/2012 : 17:51:21
Another totally spoiled pet Bats, it really sounds like I spoil all of them oesn't it..lol
I had to rush him to the vet last year, he was straining to poo..and trembling. Emergency operation, his colon was totally blocked..I given him a raw bone from the butcher. Most dogs gnaw the meat off, but not him he devoured the entire thing . Thankfully he was insured else i'd have had a £600 bill to pay. |
| n/a |
Posted - 31/01/2012 : 17:46:20
Chicken bones raw are digestible by carnivores - how else would they be able to eat birds in the wild?
Cooked bones are dangerous. But even then I believe cooked chicken vertebrae (including neck bones) are still safe. The only time I had a problem with cooked chicken neck was when a cat got a section stuck on its fangs. Luckily the cat trusted me to remove the thing.
Sounds like Bert's a lucky lad, Janie. |
| JanieW |
Posted - 31/01/2012 : 17:39:27
That's a long time mark, after 6 yrs they have surely settled :) Personally I wouldn't but if yours are happy together it works for you.
anatess where are you then? Here in the UK Pedigree Chum is one of the best brands of tinned dog meat..tho Bertie turns his nose up lol..I feed him frozen poultry throats raw..his fav.
and before anybody makes the obvious comment about chicken bones lol they are produced for dogs and have been recommended by my vet:) |
| anatess |
Posted - 31/01/2012 : 17:19:19
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Originally posted by markmifsud
and just to be different, I co-habit two pairs in two 4 foot vivs. I feed them separately out of the viv. The older pair have cohabited for 6 years.
Sure.
A lot of people feed their dogs Pedigree too and the dog survives it just fine.
Now, would I recommend feeding your dog Pedigree? Heck no.
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| markmifsud |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 19:20:19
and just to be different, I co-habit two pairs in two 4 foot vivs. I feed them separately out of the viv. The older pair have cohabited for 6 years. |
| anatess |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 18:21:56
Royal pythons are not social snakes. Separating royal pythons into individual enclosures is not just to prevent breeding but more importantly, it prevents dominance issues.
It is not unusual for royal pythons to fight over the hot spots, secure areas, etc. And they don't box or go on a striking match for these spots. The domination is a lot more subtle than that - what you may see as cuddling with one snake on top of the other may very well be a dominant snake intimidating the other. Other times, one snake will stay in one corner, stressed out, out of fear of the other snake. In extreme cases, the domination can be so acute as to have one snake eat the other snake.
There are other reasons to keep snakes separate like health concerns - one snake gets sick, both can get sick, and not knowing which poop belongs to which snake, which shed belongs to which snake, which snake is drinking, etc. can be difficult to monitor in a multi-snake enclosure.
In any case, there is no benefit to a royal python to share space with another royal python aside from breeding. It's all unnecessary risk-taking to put 2 royals together.
If you can't house royals separately due to limited resources or any other reason, it is wise to rehome one of them. |
| blackskull |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 19:04:58
no you don't need to drop temps to breed, some people don't drop temps and still have success
im with chrisc too as in i wouldn't co habit either not even the same sex |
| chrisc |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 19:03:16
as far as i know many breeder breed succesfully without lowering the temps an the male will be ready to breed way before the female is at the correct weight/old enough ect |
| krrbl123 |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 18:57:54
ok thanks but i thought you had to do stuff firsts like drop tempreture and all that for them to breed |
| chrisc |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 18:52:05
if you put them together they will breed before the female is old/big enough end will end up egg bound an possibly death.
i personally wont co-habit any snakes an definatly not 3 in one viv.
theres a thead about co-habiting on here, will add the link in a minute
http://www.theroyalpython.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2922 |
