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| BlueDragon |
Posted - 04/02/2011 : 08:52:22
I've just built Tig's viv and cabenet, but I can't work out how your supposed to fit the door hinges on for the cabenet : / Not even my step-dad can work it out. It's a VX36 and it's the hinges that fit to the doors, not the ones on the inside of the cabenet. Those were OK to fit. I've tried pushing them in, hammering them in, taking the plastic thingies off the scews and trying to fit them in the holes seperatlty... nothing.
Help! : / |
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| blackskull |
Posted - 10/02/2011 : 17:56:43
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Originally posted by Lotabob
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Originally posted by blackskull
soi would have lost my rag with something like that and forced it in no matter what lol.
Me too, what no more nails was invented for.
brute force has worked for me many times lol |
| blackskull |
Posted - 10/02/2011 : 17:54:36
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Originally posted by sandi
Figure they may be designed to go into chipboard doors as opposed to MDF or wood as chipboard wont have much strength when screwed
yeah looking at them they are used for this as chipboard will just crumble when screwed
dont steam the doors it will make the chipboard expand and become brittle and it will also lift the laminate |
| BlueDragon |
Posted - 10/02/2011 : 08:55:38
Hmm, I don't know about steaming the doors. I've just spent two hours yesterday sealing the viv to stop the moisture from getting into the wood so steaming the doors does sound like a risk : /
Haven't tried putting the plastic things into hot water yet though, as planned yesterday was spent on the viv so there wasn't any time left. Plus I couldn't be bothered with them X ) But I will do, see what it does... or doesn't do. |
| sandi |
Posted - 09/02/2011 : 22:37:28
Odd! I've fitted hundreds of concealed hinges before but not come across those nylon type fittings on them. Figure they may be designed to go into chipboard doors as opposed to MDF or wood as chipboard wont have much strength when screwed into. They look like hammer in fittings but if they wont go in then i cant think of a way to force them without damage to the door. You could try to steam the chip board holes to soften them but its a risk. |
| Lotabob |
Posted - 09/02/2011 : 22:15:58
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Originally posted by blackskull
soi would have lost my rag with something like that and forced it in no matter what lol.
Me too, what no more nails was invented for. |
| blackskull |
Posted - 09/02/2011 : 20:45:59
sorry i can't be any more help. i would have lost my rag with something like that and forced it in no matter what lol. im glad i only bought the viv and not the cabinet. by the sound of it its a shame they haven't made the cabinet as easy to put together as the viv |
| BlueDragon |
Posted - 09/02/2011 : 10:17:16
I can't phone anyone 'cause of me being Anthropophobic, but if all else fails I'm sure my mam wouldn't mind doing it instead.
I'll try soaking them, 'cause tapping, hitting and/or wacking them with a hammer really isn't working and I'm just loosing more of the vaneir around the holes trying. I know it's only the doors and it's not the end of the world or 'owt, but it's still driving me nuts! X )
Anyway, I'm putting the sealant in the viv today and having everything wired up for me too, so that should take my mind off it for a while. |
| blackskull |
Posted - 08/02/2011 : 22:25:13
looking at them i would say they should tap into the holes then place hinge over top and screw hinge down. i know its not much help if you tryed this but its the only way i can see how they work.
try what bats said about soakin in hot water, but rather than kneel on a peice of timber to push them in i would hold them at the base with long nose pliers then try and tap them in with a hammer.
sorry i can't think of anything else that might work |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/02/2011 : 11:56:05
Urrgh - I'd be going loopy too!
Well, this is what I'd do, but my DIY methods are strange - you have been warned!
Take the white plastic things off the hinges and soak them in scalding water for a couple of mins till they're a bit more malleable (this ought not to damage them.) Have a flat piece of wood/thin rigid book or similar handy. Dry the plastic thing, and while it's still hot, place it in position, place the wood/book on top, and kneel on it, hoping your weight will force it into the hole.
Uh, sorry if this sounds weird, but it's what I'd try ... |
| BlueDragon |
Posted - 08/02/2011 : 11:35:29
OK, I have taken photos of these pain in the backside, bloody plastic...things!
X ) I swear they're gunna have me in the madhouse!
Anyways, here they are:
The hinge as they came in the packet...
The holes where they're supposed to fit into (you can see where the vaneir has been chipped off trying to get them to fit in)...
And the things themselves...
Sorry about the shadow, and sorry if they're huge but I thought people might like them to be bigger photos to see them right.
Yeah, but both me and my step-dad have tried to do it that way, but they're so solid that they don't squish at all, not even a tiny bit. I'll have another go though if that's what your supposed to do : / |
| blackskull |
Posted - 07/02/2011 : 17:36:52
i asked one of the blokes at work about the plastic bits. he said they work like wall pugs. he said u need to push them in place b4 u put the screw in. if u put the screw in b4 u push them in place then they will expand and not fit in the pre drilled holes. if u have done this then get a pair of pliers pinch the plastic bits and they should go in the pre drilled holes then put in the screws |
| BlueDragon |
Posted - 07/02/2011 : 11:14:35
OK, I'll do a series of photos for people to be stumped over : ) But last night I had in incident with an angry knife, so this morning I have a very sore thumb X ) So I'll get them done today and post them tomorrow morning. |
| blackskull |
Posted - 06/02/2011 : 10:05:18
a picture might help but i must admit im a bit stumped over the plastic bits. i have never come across them before in 12 years of being a bench joiner. and i have never seen them even in flat pack kitchens that i have fitted |
| BlueDragon |
Posted - 06/02/2011 : 09:34:08
OK, I've had a think about how to describe these bizare plastic things. They look like the pump bit of a foot pump for kids paddling pools. You know, the kind of concertina bit that moves up and down to pump the air. They're like that, but they're solid and have a hole in the middle where the screw goes through. Does that make sense at all? They aren't like wall plugs at all : / Wish they were!
The plasic things are attached to the screw, the head of the screw resting on the top of the hole of the hinge and the plastic things being attached to the 'screw' bit of them on the underneath of the hole of the hinge. So if you take the plastic things off the screw comes out of the hole in the hinge. The plasic things are holding the screws in place. My step-dad had tryed taking the plasic things off and has tryed hammering them into the holes in the doors without the screw or the hinge being attached, but they just won't fit in. He's actually managed to chip the vanier off trying to force them in! He's worked a lot with stuff like this but even he admits that he's never came across these plastic things before : /
I'm stuck : (
...Should I post a photo of them instead? My camera is dead right now, but I just need to remember to charge it up X ) |
| blackskull |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 21:27:38
lotabob got it spot on
as for the plastic things i have never come across them, we neve use the plastic things and just use screws to fix. im guessing they are like wall plugs. leave them on the screws push them into place on cabinet and start tightening the screws. if they are like wall plugs then they will expand as u tighten the screws
once u push the 2 parts of the hinges together they do not screw together. u should hear a click as u push them together and thats them fixed together. if u need to seperate the hinges in future there will be a push button, only way i can think of describein it. u hold this down then the hinge will slide apart
just had a thought about the plastic things, have u tried removeing the screws then pushing the hinge in place with the plastic bits in place then puttin the screws back in |
| Lotabob |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 15:41:44
If your still stuck you need to do this:
Attach the door section to the door and the cabinet section to the cabinet.
On the cabinet section there should be a screw at the back of the bracket (if its at the front they are upside down, so turn them round)
The section now attached to the door will have a slot cut out at the very end, slot it onto (under the head of) the screw at the back of the door bracket (if it wont go, undo the screw a bit until it just slides in).
Align the door so it is vertically straight (use the gap betwen door and cabinet to align it) and tighten the back screw.
Use the screw that is positioned now on the front of the assembled hinge to align the doors. Close the doors, see where the doors don't align and ajust the front screw to push the hinge into a better position. It will take a few tweeks before you get it right.
JOB DONE. |
| n/a |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 11:18:48
LOL, it's not hard to confuse me ...rocket science! Yes, I would have done as you did, remove the plastic things off the screws and try to fit them in on their own before putting the whole thing together. In fact, if it was me, I'd be tempted to substitute a set of bog standard hinges and do my own thing - these gismos can sometimes be just a little bit too sophisticated...
However, Blackskull obviously knows about them - hope he'll be along soon and hopefully will know how to deal with them. The only other thing I can suggest is to get in touch with the manufacturer - you're probably not the only one who's had problems with these hinges and it's as well to let them know. Also they might be able to advise you - ought to be able to advise you ...
Best of luck! |
| BlueDragon |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 10:02:15
Thanks everyone. Sorry I didn't explain it very well, I'm never very good at that kind of thing.
Yes, it's for the cabenet, I just put the name of the viv 'cause I though people might want to know whitch one I was on about.
And yes, the hinges come in two parts. They came already seperate, and I've loosly fitted the bits for the inside the cabenet, just not the ones for the door. As far as I can tell the bits for the door, once fitted, slide into the ones in the cabenet and then you just screw them together. *toddles off to find a link to pic*
http://www.handles4doors.co.uk/Door-Hinges/Special-Application-Hinges/sc659/p31262.aspx
That's the bit I'm having the bother with. Where the screws go on either side there are already screws in, but they also have these funny plastic things fitted onto them too, on the 'screw' bit of the screws. They're obviously supposed to be there 'cause the holes on the doors are the right size for them, and far to big for just the screws alone. I can't find a link to show you even something remotely like what I'm on about. What I can't do though is fit them in! Although the holes seem OK and the right size for the plastic things to fit into the plastic things are so solid themselves that I just can't do it. Even if I try to hammer them in they just won't go in!
Have I explained things a bit better? Even just a little bit???
...Or have I given you all a headache? |
| blackskull |
Posted - 04/02/2011 : 14:37:54
i prob didn't explain it very well, its easy when u know how lol. if they are cabinet hinges they usually come in two seperate parts, well they do when we order them into work. there should be a cross shaped part that goes on the unit, one at the top one at the bottom on both sides of the unit, i.e two per door. as its flat packed there should be pre drilled holes on the sides, u place the cross part over the holes and if i remeber rightly there should b a slot on it that faces out then u screw into place
the part that goes on the door will have a sticky out part on the back, only way i can decribe it. this part sits inside the large hole then screwed into place, there should also b pre drilled holes
to fix in place. the long part of this section of the hinge then simlpy pushes into the parts that u fixed onto the sides of the units
i know its easy when u know how and hopefully i have explained it well enough if it is these types of hinges
a link to a picture of the type of hinges im talking about
http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=11018146&fh_view_size=10&fh_location=%2f%2fcatalog01%2fen_GB&fh_search=hinges&fh_eds=%c3%9f&fh_refview=search&isSearch=true |
| blackskull |
Posted - 04/02/2011 : 13:51:05
im guessing they are just like kitchen cupboard hinges. they should un clip into two parts. one part will fit to the door the other to the unit then u clip them together and use a screwdriver to level them and get an even gap. look at ur kitchen ones if they are the same it will give you an idea how they work |
