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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
 Posted - 06/01/2013 : 08:48:38
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Aside from the potential for it to be destroyed or killed by the temperatures in viv, is a money plant going to be harmful for a python?
My dad is after me to put on in and see how it does. |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2013 : 13:58:50
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If my fake foliage is anything to go by from a relatively inactive Royal, it gets trashed on a regular basis, dragged over and flattened.
Also there is the issue of hygiene, keeping a plant permanently hydrated in such a warm environment will affect the humidity of the vivarium which in itself isn't going to be too much of a problem, but the warm moist soil is a breeding ground for bacteria and mould and when that becomes airborne you have the ideal conditions for a RI.
I do have a couple of high humidity setups, and really struggled to keep them clean and mould free, it took a load of springtails, woodlice and worms to keep the soil clean. One was so bad I switched to kitchen roll as the gecko kept eating all the woodlice. |
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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2013 : 14:05:03
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Thanks for the reply Lotabob.
That's what I thought but then I realised it's been in my kitchen in a mug of water for the past month and has been absolutely fine hence no need for soil to be involved. I did point out to my dad that it would be hung on and flattened but supposedly they're quite hardy plants.
I'm going to give it a go- at the moment her water bowl is pretty close to the light and that's put the humidity around 55% so it shouldn't go up too much with another water bowl in the cold end.
That being said, she'd be able to drink out of the plant's bowl- the roots aren't going to secrete anything harmful are they? A question for the botanists amongst us perhaps? |
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JanieW
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2279 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2013 : 14:50:12
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| I don't know Frambo, I don't think personally i'd risk it. If anything happened to your python you'd never forgive yourself. |
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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2013 : 20:45:28
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OK spoken to dad once again and he suggests that like back in the day when he kept his snakes in India I should take an old bayonet light bulb, hollow out the inside from the bottom, fill that up with water, stick the plant in it and then put the bulb in the corner with a rock to support it.
Not a bad idea to be honest, that removes the possibility of her drinking the water though I doubt that would be that bad anyway and makes for something difficult for her to knock over. |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2013 : 22:04:44
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Part of the reason we guard bulbs is because snakes can and do break them with their super squeezy strength. I wouldn't be happy weakening a bulb by removing the bottom and leaving it within a 2 mile radius of my animals.
Using real plants and soil is possible, you just have to manage the potential risks.
This is a list of toxic plants and woods I stole from the corn snake forum, not sure if its on here but its readily available on TCS I shall ask Kelf to sticky it maybe if its not already.
http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2402
Below is a comprehensive list of what live plants were believed to be toxic to reptiles.
If anyone believes there are any missing or need moving, then message a mod and we'll shift it.
A vast amount of these were copied, With Permission, from:
CAL ZOO’S REFERENCE SHEET™
TOXIC VEGETATION
When setting up a reptile or amphibian enclosure, not only do you need to know what plants will survive in a given set-up, but will your animals
survive if they happen to eat them? You should also be aware some fruits, vegetables or their parts may also be toxic. To determine which plants
will fare well in your enclosure, consult your neighbourhood garden centre. Once you have a list of plants you know will survive, check them against
this list. These are the most common toxic plants known. There may be other toxic plants available at your local garden centre which are not listed
here. If you are in doubt as to whether a certain plant is toxic or not, please consult your local garden centre or visit your local library. All plant parts
are toxic unless otherwise noted.
Acokanthera, fruit & flowers
Aconite, roots, flowers & leaves
Amaryllis
Amsinckia
Anemone
Angel Trumpet Tree, flowers & leaves
Apple seeds
Apricot seeds
Atropa Belladonna
Autumn Crocus, bulbs
Avacado, seed & foliage
Azalea
Baneberry, berries, roots & foliage
Beach Pea
Betal Nut Palm
Bird of Paradise
Bittersweet, berries
Black Locust, bark, sprouts & foliage
Bleeding Heart, roots & foliage
Bloodroot
Bluebonnet
Bottlebrush, flowers
Boxwood
Buckeye Horse Chestnut, sprouts & nuts
Buttercup
Caladium
Calla lily
Cardinal Flower
Carolina Jessamine, flowers, leaves & sap
Casava, roots
Castor Bean, seeds
Cedar
Cherry Laurel
Cherry seeds , twigs & foliage
China Berry Tree, berries
Christmas Berry, berries
Christmas Cactus
Christmas Rose
Columbine
Common Privet, berries & leaves
Coral Plant
Crocus, bulbs
Croton
Cyclamen
Daffodil, bulbs
Daphne, berries
Deadly Nightshade
Death Camus
Delphinium
Destroying Angel
Dieffenbachia
Dogwood, fruit
Eggplant
Elderberry, leaves, shoots & bark
Elephant Ears, stems & leaves
English Ivy, berries
Euphobia, leaves & flowers
Fiddle Neck
Flase Heliebore
Fly Agaric
Four O’clock
Foxglove
Gelsemium
Golden Chain, seeds & pod
Heliebore
Hemlock Roots
Henbane
Holly, leaves & berries
Horsetail Reed
Hyacinth
Hydrangea
Impatiensiris
Iris, underground stems
Ivy
Jack-in-the-Pulpit, root
Jasmine
Jassamine, berries
Jatropha, seeds & oil
Jerusalem Cherry, fruit & leaves
Jimson Weed
Johnson Grass, wilted
Lambkill, leaves
Lantana Camara, green berries
Larkspur, foliage & roots
Laurel
Lily-of-the-Valley
Lobelia
Locoweed
Locust
Lupine, seeds
Machineel
Marijuana
May apple
Mescal
Milkweed
Mistletoe, berries
Moccasin Flower
Mock Orange
Monkshood, foliage & roots
Moonseed, berries
Morning Glory
Mountain Laurel, leaves & shoots
Mushroom
Narcissus
Natal Cherry, berries
Nectarine seeds
Nictiana, leaves
Nightshades
Oak, foliage & acorn
Oleander, foliage
Peach seeds
Pear seeds
Pennvroval
Peony
Periwinkle
Peyote
Philodendron, leaves & sap
Pine
Pinks
Plum seeds
Pointsettia, leaves & sap
Poison Hemlock
Poison Ivy
Poison Oak
Poison Sumac
Pokeberry, roots
Pokeweed, roots
Poppy (except California Poppy)
Potato, uncooked sprouts & foliage
Privet, leaves & fruit
Ranunculus
Redwood
Rhododendron
Rhubarb, uncooked foliage & stem
Rosary Pea, seeds
Rosemary, leaves of some varieties
Russian Thistle
Sage, leaves of some varieties
Salmonberry
Scarlet Pimpernel
Scotch Broom, seeds
Senecio
Skunk Cabbage, roots
Snapdragon
Spanish Bayonet
Squirrel Corn
Star of Bethlehem
Stranomium
Sudan Grass
Sundew
Sweet Pea, stems
Tansy
Taro, stems & leaves
Tarweed
Tiger Lily
Toad Flax
Toadstool
Tobacco
Tomato, vines & foliage
Toyon Berry
Tree of Heaven
Trillium
Trumpet Vine
Tulip Bulbs
Venus Flytrap
Verbena
Vetch
Virginia Creeper
Water Hemlock
Wild Black Cherry, withered leaves
Wild Parsnip
Wisteria, seeds & pods
Yellow Jasmine
Yellow Oleander
Yellow Star Thistle
Yew, foliage & berries
PLANTS GENERALLY
REGARDED AS SAFE
African Violet
Aloe Vera
Aster
Baby Tears
Bird’s Nest Fern
Bromelaids
Coleus
Corn Plant
Emerald Ripple
Ficus
Geranium
Grass, (grown from seed)
Hens & Chicks
Hibiscus
Impatiens
Jade Plants
Marigold
Painted Nettle
Palms
Prayer Plant
Spider Plant
Swedish Ivy
Sweet Alyssum
Umbrella Plant
Wandering Jew
Wax Plant
Zebra Plant
Zinnias
© California Zoological Supply 1996 Reference Sheet #1106
This sheet may be copied in its
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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2013 : 14:27:48
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Thanks lotabob- the bulb being squeezed was not an idea that I had thought of but I suppose I could get around it by putting a small bulb guard around the bulb. Having read around quite a bit it seems that the species I want to put in can cause oral problems if ingested but is fine to slither around on and climb.
I have never even seen my girl open her mouth inside the viv- have any of you ever had a snake start chomping on plants, fake or otherwise?
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jbarlow91
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
897 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2013 : 17:31:35
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| Don't think she would eat it but when u put it in she will be up at it exploring it and flickering her tongue a lot all over it cause it is something new in her territory don't know if that would cause any problems or not tho |
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JanieW
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2279 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2013 : 19:46:06
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| For the sake of a plant, in my opinion its not worth the risk. Nobody can say for sure whether or not its harmful. |
Peoples Of Middle Earth:
Bert (Staffy) , named after Tolkien's stone Troll
Popeye, African Grey
Gimli (Son Of Gloin), Baby Beardie
Slinky, Baby Royal Python
Fëanor..Baby Mexican Common Boa
Casper 2011 Male Ghost Corn Snake **RIP**
Hoard of Orcs (Dubia Roach Colony)
Pearl & Ivory--African Giant Albino Land Snails
Ra, Taiwanese Beauty Snake
Henry, Western Hognose *Missing*
Pippin, Coastal X Diamond Carpet Python
Elanor, Pastel Royal
Timmy, Western Hognose
Flake, Calico male royal, Eowyn, Arabesque Boa |
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boomslang
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2025 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2013 : 18:09:29
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Without the lighting it will die,The snake will climb on it,and most likely destroy it :)
Only snake viv id plant up,or go full natural viv with,is something like a tree python. |
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Is a Money Plant Okay?
