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JodiT
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Murphy123
Hatchling
United Kingdom
51 Posts |
 Posted - 05/10/2013 : 21:25:01
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| It's not got any heat pits but it's kind of cool looking.just wonder what price would be? |
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JodiT
Yearling
United Kingdom
149 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2013 : 21:34:58
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| Apparently it has but they are tiny due to it being scaleless or something. I have no idea and I wouldn't like to guess haha |
0.1 Normal Royal - Fifi
1.0 Normal Royal - Milo
1.0 Spider Royal - Rupert
0.1 Corn Snake - Flo |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2013 : 22:11:31
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I heard that heat pits are in the skin and we normally only see them because their scales have "pits" to expose the areas of skin the heat sensors are in?
That could all be rubbish though. |
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JanieW
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2279 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2013 : 22:15:30
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| Personally I would not want one..to me that is exploitation of a genetic fault. In the wild I doubt it would survive very long. |
Peoples Of Middle Earth:
Bert (Staffy) , named after Tolkien's stone Troll
Popeye, African Grey
Gimli (Son Of Gloin), Baby Beardie
Slinky, Baby Royal Python
Fëanor..Baby Mexican Common Boa
Casper 2011 Male Ghost Corn Snake **RIP**
Hoard of Orcs (Dubia Roach Colony)
Pearl & Ivory--African Giant Albino Land Snails
Ra, Taiwanese Beauty Snake
Henry, Western Hognose *Missing*
Pippin, Coastal X Diamond Carpet Python
Elanor, Pastel Royal
Timmy, Western Hognose
Flake, Calico male royal, Eowyn, Arabesque Boa |
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herriotfan
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
812 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 02:22:14
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| I like my royals just the way they are. |
Husband....Very Understanding!!! (Phil)
Son & Daughter (Kevin & Carol)
Granddaughter (Eva)
3.4.0 Cornsnakes Amel (Sidney) Caramel Stripe (Sultan) Amber (Cleo) Carolina (Phoebe) Anery Motley Stripe (Penny) Snow (Lily) Caramel (Holmes)
1.2.0 Royal Pythons (Peeps, Pandora & Pepsi)
1.0.0 Hognose (Hudson)
2.1.0 Dogs (Dillon, Alfie, Ellie)
0.1.0 Senegal Parrot (Peanut)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragons (Bonnie & Clyde)
1.0.0 Crested Gecko (Echo)
0.2.1 Hermanns Tortoises (Ebbie, Rosie & Twiglet)
0.1.0 Guinea Pig (Dolly-Pipsqueak)
0.1.9 Tarantulas (Poppy, Gypsy, Bumble, Insey Winsey, Sonic, Cookie, Fudge, Sox, Raven & Titch)
??? Foster animals
Location: Near Saffron Walden, Essex
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rustyp1974
Sub Adult
France
554 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 14:09:05
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| I think it looks awful & wouldn't pay a penny for one. I know a breeder in France that is doing the same with Corn's & hold the same opinion of them. Its exploitation of a genetic fault just to make money. |
1.0.0 Classic Royal Python - Apsalar
0.1.0 Fire Pinstripe Royal Python - Ember
1.1.0 Het Clown Royals (Male Pastel)
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon GG X Sandfire - Bert
1.1.O Sunset Bearded Dragons
1.0.0 Veiled/Yemen Chameleon - Ernie.RIP.
0.0.1 Pandinus Cavimanus Africanus
1.1.0 White Headed Dwarf Geckos
1.0.0 Morelia SP Jungle Jaguar
1.0.0 BCI Nicaraguan Salmon
1.0.0 Reticulated Python.Tiger/50% Jampea
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coxcats
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
584 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 17:27:44
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Royals - Sas, Boris & Ria
Boas - 1 called Titch until we can think of a name for her!
Cats - Felix, Becky, Max & Willow |
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 20:44:31
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Here, I fixed it for you.
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Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:07:47
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Originally posted by JanieW
Personally I would not want one..to me that is exploitation of a genetic fault. In the wild I doubt it would survive very long.
How many threads am I going to have to point this fact out?
Scaleless snakes still have beta-keratin... Albinos, on the other hand, do not have melanin at all. If you don't consider albino royals a genetic fault, then there's something wrong with your logic. Albino royals have a lesser chance of surviving the wild than the scaleless gopher snakes that have been observed in the wild. As a matter of fact, the scaleless gopher snakes found in the wild do not exhibit any handicap at all compared to their scaled counterparts.
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Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:13:48
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Originally posted by rustyp1974
I think it looks awful & wouldn't pay a penny for one. I know a breeder in France that is doing the same with Corn's & hold the same opinion of them. Its exploitation of a genetic fault just to make money.
And of course you did not pay a cent for your royal, right? I mean, you believe they should give them to you for free?
And for the record, the scaleless corns were part of BHB's extensive research program in conjunction with other scientists to determine the impacts of a thin beta-keratin layer on snakes. The research concluded that the lack of scales had no impact on the ratsnakes and cornsnakes. They still move as normal, including climbing, they still thermoregulate as normal, identify and strike prey as normal, hydrate as normal, etc. etc. etc. But they have a visual impact on the snake's paint job - much like any other morph. Without this breeding program, we wouldn't have known that fact.
But yeah, of course they're just in it for the money, because, you know, Brian is such a millionaire...
You guys are crazy. |
Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
Edited by - anatess on 06/10/2013 21:17:17 |
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Murphy123
Hatchling
United Kingdom
51 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:19:32
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| Well said anatess :) |
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Redd
Yearling
United Kingdom
108 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:28:22
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| Anatess rocks... |
Royal - Normal: Redd
Royal - Mojave: Biscuit
Royal - Piebald: Cornflake |
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rustyp1974
Sub Adult
France
554 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:33:27
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Originally posted by anatess
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Originally posted by rustyp1974
I think it looks awful & wouldn't pay a penny for one. I know a breeder in France that is doing the same with Corn's & hold the same opinion of them. Its exploitation of a genetic fault just to make money.
And of course you did not pay a cent for your royal, right? I mean, you believe they should give them to you for free?
And for the record, the scaleless corns were part of BHB's extensive research program in conjunction with other scientists to determine the impacts of a thin beta-keratin layer on snakes. The research concluded that the lack of scales had no impact on the ratsnakes and cornsnakes. They still move as normal, including climbing, they still thermoregulate as normal, identify and strike prey as normal, hydrate as normal, etc. etc. etc. But they have a visual impact on the snake's paint job - much like any other morph. Without this breeding program, we wouldn't have known that fact.
But yeah, of course they're just in it for the money, because, you know, Brian is such a millionaire...
You guys are crazy.
You may well be right & I don't wish to enter an argument on such an issue.
However...€4000 for an animal that's been bred to have a fundamental part of it's body missing just doesn't sound right to me.
I would also never suggest that breeders should give animals away for free & of course I paid for my royals & at a fair price. To suggest otherwise would just be ridiculous. I'm merely pointing out the fact that scaleless snakes are over priced.
My own personal opinion is that they are also damn bloody ugly..lol |
1.0.0 Classic Royal Python - Apsalar
0.1.0 Fire Pinstripe Royal Python - Ember
1.1.0 Het Clown Royals (Male Pastel)
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon GG X Sandfire - Bert
1.1.O Sunset Bearded Dragons
1.0.0 Veiled/Yemen Chameleon - Ernie.RIP.
0.0.1 Pandinus Cavimanus Africanus
1.1.0 White Headed Dwarf Geckos
1.0.0 Morelia SP Jungle Jaguar
1.0.0 BCI Nicaraguan Salmon
1.0.0 Reticulated Python.Tiger/50% Jampea
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:46:26
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Originally posted by rustyp1974
However...€4000 for an animal that's been bred to have a fundamental part of it's body missing just doesn't sound right to me.
If it was that cheap I'd have bought it already, you're looking closer to a 6 figure sum at the least to get involved in the breeding project at this early stage I reckon. |
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rustyp1974
Sub Adult
France
554 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:49:20
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| Sorry, should of said that's current price for some Corn scaleless morphs |
1.0.0 Classic Royal Python - Apsalar
0.1.0 Fire Pinstripe Royal Python - Ember
1.1.0 Het Clown Royals (Male Pastel)
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon GG X Sandfire - Bert
1.1.O Sunset Bearded Dragons
1.0.0 Veiled/Yemen Chameleon - Ernie.RIP.
0.0.1 Pandinus Cavimanus Africanus
1.1.0 White Headed Dwarf Geckos
1.0.0 Morelia SP Jungle Jaguar
1.0.0 BCI Nicaraguan Salmon
1.0.0 Reticulated Python.Tiger/50% Jampea
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Baobab
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1393 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2013 : 00:28:40
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| personally, I love it and would bite his arm off to get one. |
Royal 8.0 - Piebald (Dipstick), Calico (Flake), Pinstripe (Copper), Kingpin het Hypo (Gabriel), Soulsucker (Morgoth), Clown (Ziggy), Phantom (Spook), Enchi( Stenchi) .................Royal 0.12 - Pastel (Elanor), Spider (Willow), Normal het pied (Loki),, Pastel Sterling Orange Hypo (Misty), Normal (WC parents) (Cinders), Pewter (Tinuviel), Yellowbelly (Kaiko), Mojave (Milly), Champagne (Bubbles), Fire (Flame), Karma paradox (Smudge), Amoretti (Rita).Boa's 2.2.1- Eowyn (common), Snuggles (BCC), Bonnie (BCC), Bear (BCL) & Baileys (Kahl strain)..........Western Hognose 0.0.2 - Timmy & Henry.
Coastal*diamond carpet python 0.0.1- Pippin.........Brazilian Rainbow Boa 0.0.1 - Badger..........Granite Burmese 0.1 - Sally
Reticulated python 2.2 - Saru (purple albino), Cheesy (Sunfire albino white), Titan (Platinum Titanium) & Gala (Sunfiretiger het albino)......Rat snake 1.0 Remmy.
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2013 : 15:21:44
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Originally posted by rustyp1974
You may well be right & I don't wish to enter an argument on such an issue.
However...€4000 for an animal that's been bred to have a fundamental part of it's body missing just doesn't sound right to me.
I would also never suggest that breeders should give animals away for free & of course I paid for my royals & at a fair price. To suggest otherwise would just be ridiculous. I'm merely pointing out the fact that scaleless snakes are over priced.
My own personal opinion is that they are also damn bloody ugly..lol
The albino royal commanded a high price when they were not as common as they are now. And it has a fundamental part of its body missing - melanin.
And it's official, as the baby scaleless royals finally shed - these royals are just like any other scaleless snake ever observed in captivity and in the wild in that they do not lack a beta-keratin layer. Rather, they have a thin beta-keratin layer so the scales are smooth. According to Brian, the shed skin is just like peeling off sunburn... except it is all in one piece that includes eyecaps.
The price of something is quite simply the amount of money somebody is willing to pay for it. If nobody will buy a certain pair of shoes for 10 euros, then the price of that pair of shoes is not going to be 10 euros. If one person is willing to pay 1 million euros for a normal royal python, then the price of that royal python is 1 million euros.
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Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2013 : 15:38:31
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Originally posted by Kelfezond
quote:
Originally posted by rustyp1974
However...€4000 for an animal that's been bred to have a fundamental part of it's body missing just doesn't sound right to me.
If it was that cheap I'd have bought it already, you're looking closer to a 6 figure sum at the least to get involved in the breeding project at this early stage I reckon.
Rumor has it that Mike Wilbanks bought 3 scaleless heads (the homozygous form of scaleless heads is a scaleless royal from what I gathered - not sure of this) for $210,000 from Brian.
Someone offered Brian $100,000 for one of the scaleless babies but he refused it. He wants to raise these guys himself. And it will take Brian at least 3 years to put these babies into a project. So it's another loooonnnggg wait to see if Brian thinks this scaleless trait is worth breeding out into color morphs.
I have to say, I am very interested to see what kind of pop these guys give to say... a bumblebee. Ahhh... I just love snakes that look like candy!
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Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2013 : 15:42:35
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And one other thing Brian told us about these scaleless royals - because the royals are scaleless they don't visually show heat pits. But, they still do have the heat sensing membrane in that spot where the pits are supposed to be.
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Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
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boomslang
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2025 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2013 : 16:14:19
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While afew mutations of whatever animals do survive in the wild,most don't make it.These animals have been around for a long time.So we'd see alot more in the wild cuz of that.
Anyway people have to remember,these things aren't bred to go onto the wild.They live in your homes :) comparing healthy morphs,scaleless snakes to some of the dog breeds isn't the same either.
I have owned afew piebald chams,Not seen any for sale here for years.the black ones look odd to :P your taking away colour to replace with dark black.So can see peoples points on thse snakes.
It's not going to be to everyones taste. |
1.0.0 pinstripe Royal Python
1.0.0 Bumblebee Royal Python
1.0.0 Normal corn
1.0.0 Extreme red Hognose
0.1.0 Extreme red tiger Hognose
1.1.0 yemen chameleons
1.0.0 Piebald yemen
1.0.0 Tamatave panther
1.0.0 Quadricornis
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Scaleless royal python
