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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
 Posted - 10/01/2014 : 11:50:04
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Okay well today I was doing the general cleaning of the snakes and got to my last 6 which happen to be the offspring from my Pinstripe x Axanthic clutch.
Those include;
1F - 67g
Crystal - 85g
3M - 74g
4M - 80g
5M - 64g
6M - 74g
They have all been feeding on and off since they hatched in September but no serious fasts to note I've not been worried about any of their health they've all been fine since they hatched.
Today I checked on 5M first (Male number 5) and noticed a rather large bulge, they were all fed 2 days ago, we had a blunder with the rats and they were all given rat fuzzies instead of rat pups but I didn't consider it a huge mistake they're only a bit smaller than pups and most of them are ready to move up anyway.
Upon lifting the snake up, into a position where his head was lower than his body his nose and mouth started to leak a light brown foul smelling liquid.
I left him on the side while I cleaned his rub and watched him for about 10 minutes where I noticed he was moving in the same way a snake moves when it is pushing a meal down it's throat, a kind of wriggling left and right you've all probably seen it before.
The next part I'm not 100% sure was happening or just a trick of my eyes but I think he's pushing the large lump back up towards his mouth, probably in an effort to regurgitate the meal.
Have considered a vet visit but after conferring with some other reptile keepers have decided to give the snake today to sort things out on his own figuring it better that he regurgitate in his own rub without being dragged out in the cold, long car journey, poked and prodded by a vet just to do what he would have done at home without the added stress.
So that brings me to where I am now, I will update this diary upon any new findings.
PS. It is important to note that all the other siblings are absolutely fine since their last check today. |
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chrisc
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
3326 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2014 : 12:04:31
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what is the temp in his rub?
could be that he was taking longer to digest the slightly larger meal an picking him up has upset him an making him want to regurge |
1.0.0 burmese python,giblet. 1.0.0 BCI, william. 0.1.0 blue tongue skink, 0.1.0 green iguana, jasmin, 1.0.0 cape house snake, 0.1.0 checkered garter snake
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2014 : 12:09:15
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| Temps are set to around 30c but I've turned it up a bit anyway. |
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chrisc
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
3326 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2014 : 12:19:29
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| if he does regurge then poweraide bath's are good for rehydrating them an give them some added electrolytes |
1.0.0 burmese python,giblet. 1.0.0 BCI, william. 0.1.0 blue tongue skink, 0.1.0 green iguana, jasmin, 1.0.0 cape house snake, 0.1.0 checkered garter snake
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2014 : 14:09:36
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Update: Just checked on the snake to see if he had made any progress, unfortunately he has died :(
Absolutely devastated. |
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Pythonwizard
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
650 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2014 : 14:39:43
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| so sad to hear that news, i guess its just one of those things kelf :( |
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Baobab
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1393 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2014 : 17:26:37
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| Gutted for you Kelf. |
Royal 8.0 - Piebald (Dipstick), Calico (Flake), Pinstripe (Copper), Kingpin het Hypo (Gabriel), Soulsucker (Morgoth), Clown (Ziggy), Phantom (Spook), Enchi( Stenchi) .................Royal 0.12 - Pastel (Elanor), Spider (Willow), Normal het pied (Loki),, Pastel Sterling Orange Hypo (Misty), Normal (WC parents) (Cinders), Pewter (Tinuviel), Yellowbelly (Kaiko), Mojave (Milly), Champagne (Bubbles), Fire (Flame), Karma paradox (Smudge), Amoretti (Rita).Boa's 2.2.1- Eowyn (common), Snuggles (BCC), Bonnie (BCC), Bear (BCL) & Baileys (Kahl strain)..........Western Hognose 0.0.2 - Timmy & Henry.
Coastal*diamond carpet python 0.0.1- Pippin.........Brazilian Rainbow Boa 0.0.1 - Badger..........Granite Burmese 0.1 - Sally
Reticulated python 2.2 - Saru (purple albino), Cheesy (Sunfire albino white), Titan (Platinum Titanium) & Gala (Sunfiretiger het albino)......Rat snake 1.0 Remmy.
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Redd
Yearling
United Kingdom
108 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2014 : 17:27:04
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Sorry to this Kelf. Gutted for you.
Kev |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2014 : 17:44:38
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Well had some time to compose myself now and looked carefully into the snake after a lot of second guessing my actions.
Still no idea what actually killed it, it's possible he drowned on the fluid he was bringing up but he only seemed to bring it up when his head was below his belly (being handled) and like chris said I'm not sure it would have drowned him since he was on a flat surface, possible though.
Once he was dead the rat inside was easy enough to push back up his system (it was already halfway up anyway) and it was barely touched by his digestion looked the same as it did 2 days ago, not sure what that tells us.
When I put pressure on his lower section to empty his bowels alot of blood flooded out, possible that he had been bleeding before but I think that might have just been because he was dead when I did it or even blood from the rodent he had been eating? Nothing else passed from his bowels.
Again this might be because he's dead but he looks absolutely tiny compared to his siblings when as you can see their weights were all similar last time they were checked, I had noticed a while back that he looked skinny but he was feeding okay so I just left him to it on the basis that I'd weigh him next month and see if there was any change, perhaps something was going on to keep him so skinny?
He's been laid to rest now and I won't be getting a Postmortem done so I guess I'll never really know what exactly happened, it all went so fast I thought I had a lot more time to figure out what to do I was still waiting on replies from a lot of reptile keepers for advice when he had already died. |
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rustyp1974
Sub Adult
France
554 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2014 : 19:29:38
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| Sad news mate, so sorry to hear what happened. By the sounds of it, & i'm no expert. It could have already had an internal disorder or deformity & probably not much that even a vet would have been able to do. |
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0.1.0 Fire Pinstripe Royal Python - Ember
1.1.0 Het Clown Royals (Male Pastel)
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon GG X Sandfire - Bert
1.1.O Sunset Bearded Dragons
1.0.0 Veiled/Yemen Chameleon - Ernie.RIP.
0.0.1 Pandinus Cavimanus Africanus
1.1.0 White Headed Dwarf Geckos
1.0.0 Morelia SP Jungle Jaguar
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2014 : 16:31:02
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| sorry for the loss mate. sometimes nature can be hard. although what i would say is it would have been best to get a postmortem done just incase so you now if it was anything that could pass onto the others |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2014 : 17:32:15
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| I'd be hugely surprised if it was transferable, thinking back this snake always looked a little worse for ware I just didn't pick up on it - I concentrated too much on the stats (How many feeds, what weight is he, etc) and not enough on actually examining the snake. I have taken precautions, the rub he was in has been steralised and everything has been cleaned out. |
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coxcats
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
584 Posts |
Posted - 13/01/2014 : 09:50:05
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| So sorry to hear this. x x |
Royals - Sas, Boris & Ria
Boas - 1 called Titch until we can think of a name for her!
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Diary of a possible regurge
