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couch
Hatchling

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Posted - 12/10/2009 :  18:47:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
how many can you put in a viv to live together ?
all male
all female
or a mix at a risk off spring ?

matty18714
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Posted - 12/10/2009 :  19:11:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
1. Any more and you place the snakes in unnecessary danger.

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matty198111
Yearling

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174 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2009 :  19:29:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i have 2 males together


mat
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Blackecho
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Posted - 12/10/2009 :  19:39:03  Show Profile  Click to see Blackecho's MSN Messenger address  Send Blackecho a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I agree with the first Matty



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Gingerpony
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Posted - 12/10/2009 :  20:26:38  Show Profile  Click to see Gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
i wouldn't co-habit my boas or royal but i do have 1.1, 2.0 and 0.2 pairs of corns together

Dumerils boas, BCO hybrids, Sinder Hypo boas, cornsnakes, ratsnakes, Day Geckos
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karl
Fully Grown Royal

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Posted - 12/10/2009 :  20:54:06  Show Profile  Visit karl's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It is frowned upon, but it is very easy to do and does work in alot of cases. There are dangers, such as cross infection, chance of bullying etc, but in the CORRECT sized enclosures, with enough hides etc it can and does work.

Personally, I wouldn't, just ain't worth the risk to me, but it's personal taste.

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Dazzetski
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Posted - 12/10/2009 :  23:28:37  Show Profile  Visit Dazzetski's Homepage  Click to see Dazzetski's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Syd & sofia are on there own in their viv's, but I've got Tango & Sparkle, Hogan & Shaggy in together with no problems whatsoever, it's your call. Yes there's a risk, but as long as you quarentine them for long enough & feed them seperately, I'm ok with it.


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spor
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Posted - 13/10/2009 :  01:58:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
for me i wouldn't take the rest of letting them live together. Wouldn't want to take the risk of losing a snake to safe on space.
but as others have said it works for them. personal choice and if you are happy with the risks taken.


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dazb
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Posted - 13/10/2009 :  06:57:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just a couple of points to note...

If you do decided to co-habit them, make sure they are the same size, make sure of there sex's (especially if they are young) as you dont want any breeding when they are to young. Also bear in mind you will probably need a spare complete set up to hand so if any problems do occur, through illness, bullying or one becoming gravid.



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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!

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Posted - 13/10/2009 :  07:06:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i wouldnt either, for me it is not worth the risk...

Daryl...you might well be ok, but there is always the .....what if?


not worth it ....



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now and make a brand new ending."
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chris100575
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Posted - 13/10/2009 :  08:57:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This could really do with being a sticky it comes up that often.

I think this has already been answered, but to add my view it's not worth it. They don't live together in the wild, and apart from the chance of one ending up as lunch when you find a poo in the morning how do you know whose it is? Same if one was to regurge. There was a recent thread on TCS where someone co-habited two corns and only had one in the morning, and I've also come across photos of a boa that was being co-habited with a royal, that ate its housemate. If anything the royal was slightly bigger than the boa but it still came second. The boa then regurged it a couple of days later, thus its health was at risk too. It's probably rare, but the possibility is enough to put me off.


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Gingerpony
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Posted - 13/10/2009 :  12:03:26  Show Profile  Click to see Gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chris100575

There was a recent thread on TCS where someone co-habited two corns and only had one in the morning, and I've also come across photos of a boa that was being co-habited with a royal, that ate its housemate..........It's probably rare, but the possibility is enough to put me off.

TBH it's not that rare, i know numerous people who have ended up with just one snake.......... and we're not just talking little ones either.......

Dumerils boas, BCO hybrids, Sinder Hypo boas, cornsnakes, ratsnakes, Day Geckos
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wolfspirit
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Posted - 13/10/2009 :  12:47:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
exactly Ali...

the only time they should be together is to breed from or for photos and thats it...




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matty198111
Yearling

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174 Posts

Posted - 13/10/2009 :  16:09:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
all the above is correct

there are risks (as there is with everything in life), you can limit these risks with some serious revision and studying of the snake.

i know of a snake that wouldnt eat until it was kept with another of its kind, it was suggested that it was due to the different viv but tbh i dont tink it was as they were kept in the same conditions.

to be fair do some reading up about it make sure your very confident you can tell the 2 apart, and then decide wether or not its worth it.

also i do believe that we should have a sticky on this subject as it does seem to come up very often.
i think it needs just the 2 posts, 1 for and 1 against, other wise i think it will just get over crowded with people saying the same thing.
im happy to right the 1 for and someone else to right the 1 against

just an idea

mat
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matty18714
Royal Python Moderator

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Posted - 13/10/2009 :  16:45:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by matty198111

also i do believe that we should have a sticky on this subject as it does seem to come up very often.
i think it needs just the 2 posts, 1 for and 1 against, other wise i think it will just get over crowded with people saying the same thing.
im happy to right the 1 for and someone else to right the 1 against

just an idea

mat



Hmm...maybe I will write something up later then.

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couch
Hatchling

66 Posts

Posted - 13/10/2009 :  16:47:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
no plans to put 2 together but cheeres for the info everyone
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Blackecho
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Posted - 13/10/2009 :  18:32:22  Show Profile  Click to see Blackecho's MSN Messenger address  Send Blackecho a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
If you do write for and against arguments, please try to leave emotion out of it and just state facts. Its a very sensitive subject and we don't want to upset anyone.

Thanks.



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matty198111
Yearling

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174 Posts

Posted - 13/10/2009 :  18:37:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Blackecho

If you do write for and against arguments, please try to leave emotion out of it and just state facts. Its a very sensitive subject and we don't want to upset anyone.

Thanks.



tbh honest with you this is why i suggested just having the 2 posts so as it dont turn into an argument rather than useful information.

we dont have to do it, its just a suggestion

mat
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matty18714
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Posted - 13/10/2009 :  18:48:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have written something up that I hope will help. Matty, I will post it tonight.

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matty198111
Yearling

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174 Posts

Posted - 13/10/2009 :  19:55:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
prob a daft question but where will i find your post when its done



mat
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matty18714
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Posted - 13/10/2009 :  20:03:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Under general Keeping info. If I dont post it tonight I will definatly do it tomorrow afternoon.

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