Hi there well saved thay are crafty don't take your eyes off. I have a handy little tool some may frown on it but if you go to BQ thay sell a very handy long rad roller arm no sharp edges nice a round and long and strong just to be used as a guide. very handy after feeding you dont want to handle them. Sometimes they will curl around it just leave it in the viv till thay uncoil it does'nt seem to bother them it's handy having it just in case he trys to do another brake for it.