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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 14/11/2010 : 19:06:58
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Hello everyone.
Thinking about the future from little Diablo (male 100% piebald het) and if I'll breed him, been looking at some genetics calculators but Piebalds seem to not be very popular here.
Any suggestions on what I should breed him with for various results, been thinking about getting another het pied female to breed a full piebald but is there anything else I can breed a het with for interesting results?
If not, how about in the future-future for a full piebald? |
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 07:55:33
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pastel het pied are nice when u get pastel pieds, although i do love a nice spied, or mojave pied
if u really wanted something amazing then u could make a dreamsicle, although would be very exspensive as you would need to buy either an albino lavender and breed it to a pied and get normal het pied and albino lavs or you could buy an albino lav het pied but that would an extortionat price
anything that is het for pied would make some lovely babies |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 10:43:50
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| I have the het for pied but I wasn't sure if the effect would come out in the babies unless I bred it with a full piebald, The albino piebald is pretty nice could that be bred with an albino female and a 100% het pied male or would I need a piebald and a albino? |
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Royalbob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
1115 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 10:47:45
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As above, but rely depends on your budget and time that you want to see results. ( based on punnet square, 4 egg clutch)
1. Breeding him to a female 100% het pied you would get 1 normal, 1 pied and 100% hets but as the hets will look like normals the remaining 3 will all be 66% het for pied until proven by breeding. Het pied female 10' £150 - 200
2. breeding him to a Homozygous (visual) pied you get out of 4 offspring, 2 visual pieds and 2 100% het pieds. visual female pied £900 + or - £100 depending on white amount.
3. Then you can go into recessives such as axanthics and clowns to produce some amazing pieds. Possibilities are endless, here's some to get you thinking.
Pastel Piebald (Pastel and Piebald)
Spider Piebald (Spider and Piebald)
Panda Piebald (Super Cinnamon/Black Pastel and Piebald)
Enchi Pied (Enchi and Piebald)
Axanthic Piebald (Axanthic and Piebald)
Albino Piebald (T- Albino and Piebald)
Dreamsicle (Lavender Albino and Piebald)
Pinstripe Piebald (Pinstripe and Piebald)
Clown Piebald (Clown and Piebald)
Lesser Pied (Lesser Platinum and Piebald) |
1.0 Enchi butter
1.0 Enchi X Pastel
1.0 Fire het clown
1.0 Bumblebee
1.0 pinstripe
0.1 Enchi Fire
0.1 Pastel calico
0.1 Yellow belly Pinstripe
0.1 Lemon pastel poss het clown
0.1 Het clown
0.1 Yellow belly
0.1 Green Mojave
0.1 HC Albino
0.2 Normals
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 10:58:40
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| Whats the T- mean in the Albino Piebald? |
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Royalbob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
1115 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 11:19:52
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T stands for Tyrosinase. It's the enzyme that is responsible for the synthesis of melanin (darker pigment). So a T-Albino will be white and yellow because it lacks tyrosinase (hence the "-"). A T+Albino has tyrosinase so it has a darker pigment (some would say a "caramel" appearance). So a T- albino is a classic looking albino and a caramel albino is a T+
Hope that makes sense. |
1.0 Enchi butter
1.0 Enchi X Pastel
1.0 Fire het clown
1.0 Bumblebee
1.0 pinstripe
0.1 Enchi Fire
0.1 Pastel calico
0.1 Yellow belly Pinstripe
0.1 Lemon pastel poss het clown
0.1 Het clown
0.1 Yellow belly
0.1 Green Mojave
0.1 HC Albino
0.2 Normals
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Royalbob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
1115 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 13:37:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelfezond
I have the het for pied but I wasn't sure if the effect would come out in the babies unless I bred it with a full piebald, The albino piebald is pretty nice could that be bred with an albino female and a 100% het pied male or would I need a piebald and a albino?
If you bred your 100%het pied to a normal half the eggs would be also 100% het pied but because you would be able to tell the differance between the babies they would be known as 50% possible hets until proven. Then they would become 100% hets.
An albino piebald is a double recessive. breed your het to produce a visual pied. breed this visual pied to an albino for 100% double hets for both albino and pied. Then breed these double hets back to each other for a 1:16 chance of producing an albino pied. |
1.0 Enchi butter
1.0 Enchi X Pastel
1.0 Fire het clown
1.0 Bumblebee
1.0 pinstripe
0.1 Enchi Fire
0.1 Pastel calico
0.1 Yellow belly Pinstripe
0.1 Lemon pastel poss het clown
0.1 Het clown
0.1 Yellow belly
0.1 Green Mojave
0.1 HC Albino
0.2 Normals
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 16:19:03
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Righto.
Short time plan will be to breed a Piebald.
Long time plan will be an Albino Piebald. |
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 18:12:03
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if you have a male het pied then the only way to get pied babies will to either breed him to a pied or to a het pied female, you will ahve more chance of getting pieds if you breed your het pied male to a pied female but it would cost you about 700 quid for a female pied, whereas a female het pied would cost you about 200 (i got mine for 150 from someone i now)
anything thats is het pied will produce some pieds with your het pied male (thats if they are 100% het pied) so a pastel het pied will produce pieds and pastel pieds along with normals (some het for pied but you cannot tell)
here is a good site to put breeding plans into
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/ |
1.2 royal pythons 0.1 hog island boa 1.0 corn snake
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 20:38:11
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| Ah that's enlightening, been trying to find a calculator like that, thanks a bunch :D |
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 20:43:03
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| your welcome, just hold down ctrl if you want something like pastel het piedball on the pastel and the hold ctrl and click het pied |
1.2 royal pythons 0.1 hog island boa 1.0 corn snake
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 22:28:07
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Cheers, was wondering :)
If anyone has any hatchlings planned for next year that include het piebald or adults for that matter that they're thinking of selling let me know :) |
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python23
Yearling
United Kingdom
108 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2010 : 15:15:36
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| good thread is this, waiting for my 100% hetpied female to come from crystal palace reptiles, hopefully will have a visual pied in a couple of years, then i would look at pinstripe pieds, i hate wating though, its such a slow process, unless you have serious dollar. |
02 Corn (female)
03 Amel corn (male)
03 Amel corn (female)
03 Royal reduced pattern (male)
05 Royal normal (male)
09 Het Pied (male)
10 Royal normal (female)
10 Het Pied (Female)
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boze
Yearling
United Kingdom
408 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2010 : 15:37:43
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Desert Pied.....
Yummy...
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0.1.0. Royal (Salmissra)
0.0.1. Western Hognose (Spiderman)
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Originally posted by ruxpin64
I'm so happy I may lay on my back and pee in the air like a baby!
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2010 : 15:58:08
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| wow, but then you have the problem of affording the desert, let alone the desert het pied lol |
1.2 royal pythons 0.1 hog island boa 1.0 corn snake
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hiper2009
Yearling
United Kingdom
259 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2011 : 20:28:06
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| Fantasic thread !! |
0.0.1 Royal Python Het Pied 100% CB10 - Chaos
1.1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa CB10 - Bow/Mayhem
0.1.0 Cornsnake Amel Het Motley CB10 - Fire
1.0.0 Cornsnake Caramel Het Motley CB09 - Whisky
1.0.0 Cornsnake Snow Het Stripe CB07 - Romeo - R.I.P
1.0.0 Super Golden Labrador Dog CB02 - Bailey
Wish List:
1.2.0 Royal Python - Pastel , Pinstripe , Lesser. |
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nok1888
Yearling
United Kingdom
314 Posts |
Posted - 19/03/2011 : 07:51:21
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| Pied x clown beautiful, pity a clown will set you back around 12-1500 |
0.1.0 Royal Normal - Orlina Bodhi Lobsang
1.0.0 Royal Normal - Sedrick Rinzen Sonam
2.0.0 Cats 18 y/o - Monty, kitten - Dodger
2.0.0 Border Collie's 7 y/o - Jinky, 2 y/o - Chance
0.0.5 Goldfish - Haggis, Pookie, Oddball, Spongebob and Slimey (kids eh lol)
Strange creature, unknown species, wife likes to call it "teenage daughter"
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 19/03/2011 : 10:15:46
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Forgot about this thread.
My plans have unfolded now and I am going with the Axanthic Piebald :) |
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hiper2009
Yearling
United Kingdom
259 Posts |
Posted - 19/03/2011 : 10:49:12
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelfezond
Forgot about this thread.
My plans have unfolded now and I am going with the Axanthic Piebald :)
Can I see a pic of your Scar - Axanthic please  . |
0.0.1 Royal Python Het Pied 100% CB10 - Chaos
1.1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa CB10 - Bow/Mayhem
0.1.0 Cornsnake Amel Het Motley CB10 - Fire
1.0.0 Cornsnake Caramel Het Motley CB09 - Whisky
1.0.0 Cornsnake Snow Het Stripe CB07 - Romeo - R.I.P
1.0.0 Super Golden Labrador Dog CB02 - Bailey
Wish List:
1.2.0 Royal Python - Pastel , Pinstripe , Lesser. |
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nok1888
Yearling
United Kingdom
314 Posts |
Posted - 19/03/2011 : 10:59:29
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| Sounds good |
0.1.0 Royal Normal - Orlina Bodhi Lobsang
1.0.0 Royal Normal - Sedrick Rinzen Sonam
2.0.0 Cats 18 y/o - Monty, kitten - Dodger
2.0.0 Border Collie's 7 y/o - Jinky, 2 y/o - Chance
0.0.5 Goldfish - Haggis, Pookie, Oddball, Spongebob and Slimey (kids eh lol)
Strange creature, unknown species, wife likes to call it "teenage daughter"
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nok1888
Yearling
United Kingdom
314 Posts |
Posted - 19/03/2011 : 11:00:58
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quote:
Originally posted by hiper2009
quote:
Originally posted by Kelfezond
Forgot about this thread.
My plans have unfolded now and I am going with the Axanthic Piebald :)
Can I see a pic of your Scar - Axanthic please .
Have a look at the video section hes got 1 on youtube of his snakes m8 nice collection |
0.1.0 Royal Normal - Orlina Bodhi Lobsang
1.0.0 Royal Normal - Sedrick Rinzen Sonam
2.0.0 Cats 18 y/o - Monty, kitten - Dodger
2.0.0 Border Collie's 7 y/o - Jinky, 2 y/o - Chance
0.0.5 Goldfish - Haggis, Pookie, Oddball, Spongebob and Slimey (kids eh lol)
Strange creature, unknown species, wife likes to call it "teenage daughter"
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Piebald het breeding
