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crazysnakeman
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 20/12/2010 : 23:41:16
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Heya, I rescued a boa and a female royal 3 months ago that were gonna be euthanased as ***ody wanted them - theres nothing wrong with them at all!
I already had a male, although hes very small, 3 ft and about 750 grams! hes tiny bless him..
Anyways, the royal I was given is roughly 4 ft, give or take an inch, and weighs about 1300 grams.
They have been living together the past 3 months - i dont have the money to keep them seperate, but i couldnt let her be euthanased, so It's more out of keeping her alive that shes living with him! I dont want to breed them as im at uni, but they arent giving me much of a choice! they appear to mate every 10 or so days, I have accidentally interupted them twice (they both looked a bit guilty) but during other copulations they have finished naturally.
I saw they were at it again last night, and was wondering how many copulations it usually takes for the female to become pregnant, and what the first obvious sign is - Ive been reading the ECO book, the complete ball python, and I think i understand that ovulation is the first sign, but what am I looking for, and if they are still at it like rabbits, does this mean shes not yet "pregnant"?
If they breed, they breed, i'll incubate the eggs and see what hatches! but like i said, im not doing it on purpose, I just cant afford the second (3rd if you include the one i had to get for the boa) viv..
They are both eating well - the male eats regulaly now that shes in the viv! he was so tempremental before.. the boa was pretty emaciated when I got her too, but shes doubled in body weight, but not grown an inch in length! just putting her muscle back on! being a bit over generous on food for the two of them as they both appear underweight - especially the boa, she was skin and bones.. anyways, i digress!
Any info would be appreciated!
cheers,
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Royalbob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
1115 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 01:04:51
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Don't mean to be rude but if you don't have the money to keep them separate how are you going to afford an incubator for the eggs or housing for the hatchlings etc.
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crazysnakeman
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
20 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 13:40:03
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I live on a farm - got incubators left right and centre, And the hatchlings can live in RUB's - a pound each in pound land! I do take a bit of offense that you would focus on whether or not I have thought this through, but there you go. I have kept snakes for the past 6 years, I know exactly what I'm doing, but have never bred them before. I would prefer it if you weren't condisending towards me or any other person on here, people come to forums for advice or help, not an inspection into the ins and outs of their finances.
However, on top of all that, buying RUB's can be done over a period of time to build up to when they hatch, a new viv / complete set up is one hell of a lot of money - on top of everything i had to get for the boa (which is a fair amount when you consider size!). I found it easier to put the royals together and save both, then just take one and do it 100% cost effectively. I took the snakes and thought about the problems later, but they are both still alive, so mission accomplished as far as im concerend.
I do my best for them and will get over each hurdle as it comes - if i sell the hatchlings at least I can get some money to sort the adults out. I see the majority of your royals/balls are morphs, Im guessing you could afford the high prices of those plus each set up / rack system. I cant, but will still try to rehome snakes on death row, no matter what their condition or physical appearance / malformation. I keep these animals through a fascination with them and a want to help them and improve their captive welfare. But for now, all I can do is take on the "lost" causes, and do my best. so.. maybe consider your questions and the reasoning possibly behind something before getting on a moral high ground and questioning someone whos trying to do their best and asking people with the knowledge to help for advice. Each snake I have is kept with my absolute upmost effort and I seem to always put them before myself. I do think you were rude, and if you cant be constructive, why post a reply?? I'm not some mindless idiot takinf on more then he can chew. |
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Posted - 21/12/2010 : 17:01:04
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Hi, Crazysnakeman, try googling Markus Jayne's 'Breeding Ball Pythons' (sorry, can't post links, I'm computer illiterate) or for a bit of light relief, try Snakebyte TV - 'My Balls Wanna Mate!' and 'Snake Porn.'
Sorry to hear money's tight at the moment but you will see from these clips that the little guy will have to take a break soon ...perhaps a rub of his own, mat and stat?
Hope you get things sorted out and good luck with the eggs, and stay with us, people are good on this forum, know from my own experience ...all the best. |
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
11327 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 17:56:20
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Royalbob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 02:18:47
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| Wow, i didn't mean to be rude and i'm sorry you took it that way. obviously this forum thing isn't for me. If someone asks a question i answer it honestly as i would expect others to do with me. I never ask for an inspection into the ins and out's of your finances, you volunteered that information. You said yourself you didn't want to breed them so the only answer is to separate them as the female is not up to weight and this alone represents it's own health risks. Pls don't guess anything about me, you'll probably be way off. Sometimes trying to do the right thing isn't always right. In my eyes i asked you a fair question. I even gave you the link you wanted to all the breeding info. I apologies again for offending you. Any way you'll be glad to know this is my last post on this forum. |
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
11327 Posts |
Posted - 22/12/2010 : 06:57:46
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| Don't be daft Bob, you're needed on here. |
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 10:51:41
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Seconded!
As I said above, Bob, you are a good guy! You give us a lot of support and info! |
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 13:49:07
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dont go bob, i would have sed the same thing as u, and its nice when people are honest, cuz people sometimes just say nice things on the screen, and then in face dont mean it (not saying anyone on here does that!!!!) please dont go bob, we would miss u too much, we need ur honesty.
if u still feel like leaving, then please come back, if neadbee just have a brake for a bit, and dont post, but u will be missed greatly, so please stay!!! |
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United Kingdom
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Royalbob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
1115 Posts |
Posted - 22/12/2010 : 19:07:51
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| Lol guys and girls. Thanks a bunch for the support. Was just trying to be honest. Bob stays. This is too good a forum to leave. Cheers again. |
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 22/12/2010 : 19:22:15
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Originally posted by Royalbob
Lol guys and girls. Thanks a bunch for the support. Was just trying to be honest. Bob stays. This is too good a forum to leave. Cheers again.
yay, bob stays, we have had our way |
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 19:48:50
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Aw Bob, that's great!!   |
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Royalbob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 20:57:49
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Originally posted by reptiledanny
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Originally posted by Royalbob
Lol guys and girls. Thanks a bunch for the support. Was just trying to be honest. Bob stays. This is too good a forum to leave. Cheers again.
yay, bob stays, we have had our way
It's those hypnotic snakey powers. Ok all done let's get on with the snakey stuff. |
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 22/12/2010 : 21:20:42
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| lmao |
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crazysnakeman
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
20 Posts |
Posted - 23/12/2010 : 01:49:16
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Cheers for the guys who posted some info for me - I know shes on the lighter end of the breeding scale, I did make sure she was atleast inside the scale before agreeing to take her on though.. and yes, sometimes its not always the right thing to do, but i think this is one of the times it would have been wrong to let her be euthanased. And bob, no hard feelings at all, I was a bit tetchy, I guess it just tipped me over a bit and i apologies too.
Again, cheers for the posts, I'll keep you updated. |
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/12/2010 : 08:58:52
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Hello again, you say you don't have the money to keep them seperate but you do have the money to house the hatchlings?
Can't you just get a large RUB for one of them, I'm sure that'd cost less than buying several sets for hatchlings.
And I'd still say she was too light for breeding healthily. I'd say 1800g ideally, 1500g minimum. |
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CoN
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/12/2010 : 14:11:07
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I dont want to be needle picking,
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Originally posted by crazysnakeman
I did make sure she was atleast inside the scale before agreeing to take her on though..
but you didnt had plans breeding them.
Hope all goes well for you and the new one, please keep us updated. Remember you have to give the little stud muffin a break between locks.
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
11327 Posts |
Posted - 23/12/2010 : 14:14:47
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| Especially a small male like that. |
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crazysnakeman
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/12/2010 : 17:58:22
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He's always been small.. He's about 5 years old now, he's just a small guy, and no I had no plans to intentionally breed them but knew that by placing them together it was a possibility and therefore made sure she was atleast within the guidlines before saying yes to the woman who gave me them - her daughter passed away and left the snakes with no will, nobody knew they were in the house and by the time they were found, the 5 foot red tailed boa weighed 800 grams - she was literally skin and bone! the royal is still underweight for her length, very triangular shaped, but shes building up some muscle again now,and is starting to look healthy.
I blew absolutely everything I had on keeping these guys alive. The contents of my wallet - £6.73 is all I have to my name right now, but I know that in two weeks I receive my student loan, so I can sort things out further then. I figured I never have to incubate eggs if I don't want to, and that by the time any eggs are laid my loan will be through. I feel right pushed away on this forum, If I could have taken both with no problems, I wouldnt be here asking questions. I'm not stupid, and I can hopefully answer any other questions you guys have with satisfactory answers, but money is a huge issue in terms of buying a heat source, thermostat and RUB, where as sorting everything out in a few weeks when I have money hopefully (once ive budgeted) wont be a problem. however, I still had the current issue of mating snakes. Like I said, at no point am I obligated to incubate the eggs, but If I did, money shouldnt be an issue at that point.
Blackecho, you've answered a few of my Q's on other forums with no problems and I know that your adivice is good, but I really did research this and the general advice from most experts is that 1200 grams is adequate. several commercial breeders say they have successfully bred 800 gram females, but I would suspect this is an exaggeration.
If I could have housed them seperately from the off, I would have. as it was, they were living 5 royals and two red tailed boas in one 4ft viv with a heat mat with no thermostat, a water bowl green with algae, and faeces all over the floor. The police brought them to the zoo that I volunteer at, and basically dumped them on us. The zoo said they had to all be euthanased, but I saved these two, and another keeper took on the other boa - although it did die a few weeks ago, it refused to eat and was probably even more starved then my guys were. The other 4 royals were so far gone the vet wouldnt let anyone even try to save them and they were all killed.
I really have done everything I can for these guys and spent every penny I could spare to make sure they both has warmth, food and water. But my money just cant do any more. Please just accept that I have been stretching every penny as far as it will go, and that their mating is the last issue I have to deal with now that they are on the mend. I can stop the breeding in a few weeks, but there is every chance that she will be gravid by then, only time can tell for that one. I didnt think I would spark off an inquisition, I know I only have a few posts on here and that im fairly young, which I guess leads people to think I might just be another person getting snakes to be cool, who has no idea what they are doing, and just likes the novelty, but really, all of this is thought through, and there will be an answer for any questions you have unless its some novel idea that i wont have thought of. Id prefer it if you guys gave me a bit more credit in my thought processes - for example, Yes, i know it would be cheaper to buy one larger RUB and heating, then lots of small ones, but hopefully ive explained that, and yes it is blindingly obvious. There are answers, I didnt think they would need discussing in order to find out a quick bit of info to work out whether or not she was gravid.
Anyways, i'l bear all this in mind in future and put every intricate detail down in any future posts I dare to post on here. Cheers to those of you who wanted to help answer my queries, and to those of you with the constant questioning I hope i have answered them. I can continue to answer them if you so wish, but I'm sure I will have already thought it through and eliminated it because of some huge flaw. No, i had no intention of breeding them, im just in that position now, yes I can sort it in the future, but i still needed the answers for now.
bob, you said not to guess stuff about you cos i could be way off. I guess people guess stuff about me too, and they were way off. |
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crazysnakeman
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/12/2010 : 18:04:05
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| Maybe some of that response sounds childish, but this really is one of the most off putting things i have ever come across in the world or reptile keeping. you can make the biggest balls up in rock climbing, surfing, practically any of my other hobbies and people will congratulate you for trying, and give you their opinion on how to move forward, even on the other reptile keeping forums. It seems like on here though, I ask for a bit of help, and people second guess you and try to outwit you, and drown out the good natured people who try to improve things. If my response seems a bit childish, it isnt intended to be, its just a response based on feeling a bit pushed out. I note that not one person responded in any effort to say, hang on guys, maybe there are reasons behind this. Im not sure whether or not to keep using this forum - the corn/hoggy/amphib sites are all very good so im reluctant to leave just because of this, but at the same time no other forum treats other people in this way. |
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