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Tylersmatrix
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07/08/2011 : 19:44:13
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Hi All,
Managed to get a hold of my first royal at the weekend and cant wait until i purchase my own. With the help of this forum i think i am all set ready to purchase one after my hols in September. When i have been looking around for hatchlings majority seem t be CF- is this normal? I would prefer a CB but struggle to find them on the endless avenues of internet shopping/ browsing. |
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 19:58:38
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Ah. If you're looking in pet or rep shops, at this time of year in the majority of shops, the hatchling royals will be cf - captive farmed (or 'ranched') and, as you'll know, hatched out from eggs 'harvested' in West Africa and exported as newborns to the UK, USA and other countries, a trade which there's a lot of debate about.
Captive bred, or cb hatchlings, royals bred from stock in the uk (though the breeding stock may be cf) are rarer in shops, as you've found, though some shops do stock them, especially when the cf babies (who hatch april/may) are not 'in season.'
Perhaps someone on here can help about finding hatchlings. Which area are you in? |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2011 : 20:03:41
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| CB should be relatively easy to find there are lots of royal python breeders. CF are the cheaper option but are also more prone to the fussyness etc. The captive bred animals are more likely to make better pets by genetics, basically a good tempremented CF is brought to a breeder, its in with 50 CF animals but this one does the best, it hits breeding weight quicker and is then bred, all its babies are CB and have inherited its mummies love for food, one of those babies then hits breeding potential quicker and the cycle continues as that blood line becomes better and better specimens in a captive environment. CF is better to bring new blood into breeding stock though and also the potential for new unknown morphs etc. |
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 20:05:12
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ps, Blue Lizard near Sheffield, have spider, pastel and yellowbelly morphs in, couriering cost is £14.99. I don't know whether the prices are reasonable and if they will still be in stock in a month's time but I've had two snakes from them and have been very pleased with quality and reliability of delivery.
Hope you find your royal. |
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 20:13:31
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Originally posted by Lotabob
CB should be relatively easy to find there are lots of royal python breeders. CF are the cheaper option but are also more prone to the fussyness etc. The captive bred animals are more likely to make better pets by genetics, basically a good tempremented CF is brought to a breeder, its in with 50 CF animals but this one does the best, it hits breeding weight quicker and is then bred, all its babies are CB and have inherited its mummies love for food, one of those babies then hits breeding potential quicker and the cycle continues as that blood line becomes better and better specimens in a captive environment. CF is better to bring new blood into breeding stock though and also the potential for new unknown morphs etc.
Oh I don't know - look at this big sausage, cf10, just weighed in at 900g empty and soppy as anything lol!
But the little guy must have had a rough ride at first, all the way from Ghana, and he did have a few feeding problems - though many of them are absolutely fine. |
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Tylersmatrix
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2011 : 07:54:21
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I'm in the Durham area but Sheffield isn't too far away for me. I would prefer to get a CB and would pay the extra. I have also toted with the idea of buying a juvenile of preloved or reptile trader but have read stories of people being missold items. They may say it is a CB and is feeding and shedding well but you wouldn't really know until you got home?
I will keep looking- after all you never get bored of looking at snakes!
Thanks for the advice |
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prozacbear
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/08/2011 : 12:45:20
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My guy Guybrush was captive farmed and I could not of asked for a better pet. He is confident outgoing and curious, loves his rats (unless he's horney), and as never so much as hissed let alone bit anyone. I fell in love with him at the shop when I held him and he disappeared up my jumper, he just seemed to have lots of great personality.
So I would say its about the individual snake not their origins. Don't worry about CB or CF just find the snake thats special to you.
Heres a picture of him just for the hell of it
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Guybrush (royal python) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csapnto_Q5I
Cassiopeia (Brazilian rainbow boa) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5VQhPP7qVM&NR=1
Smaug (deseart iguana) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ZD_SFA8Lg
Axos & Sutekh (cats) http://youtu.be/AFCgZcHXuTU
Nessie & Nemo etc ( tropical fish) |
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Tylersmatrix
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2011 : 19:05:04
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| Really nice looking snakes. I think I might actually be a proud owner by the end of the weekend. I am going to look at some hatchlings in Leeds. Fingers crossed! |
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sandi
Sub Adult
787 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2011 : 21:02:17
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| Aw, good luck shopping! I got florence from gumtree (local Adds) and she is a honey! sold as a CB but to be honest who knows? I dont care...she is special and im sure the snake you find will be too! |
0.1.0 Royal Python - Florence
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor - Boris
1.1.0 Alaunts - Willow & Brochan |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2011 : 22:47:53
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| I think the important thing is these snakes live for a very long time, as long as they are cared for during their lifetime and there is no impact on wild stock then really BD and CF are fine. I dont like the idea of WC (wild caught not talking about toilets here) is the only one I would never want, they know what its like to be free so captivity would always be second best for them. |
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SaltyTurtle
Yearling
155 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2011 : 23:43:37
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Originally posted by Lotabob
CB should be relatively easy to find there are lots of royal python breeders. CF are the cheaper option but are also more prone to the fussyness etc. The captive bred animals are more likely to make better pets by genetics, basically a good tempremented CF is brought to a breeder, its in with 50 CF animals but this one does the best, it hits breeding weight quicker and is then bred, all its babies are CB and have inherited its mummies love for food, one of those babies then hits breeding potential quicker and the cycle continues as that blood line becomes better and better specimens in a captive environment. CF is better to bring new blood into breeding stock though and also the potential for new unknown morphs etc.
SP is this how the CF babies have come to survice in the wild, with predators, and a lack of doting, temperature sensitive, food providing owners? Funny that they haven't died out if that's the case, isn't it? |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2011 : 23:59:22
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| That actually has nothing to do with what I was saying and CF animals dont have/need to survive in the wild as they are hatched in captivity. The point is that through captivity we shape temprement and adapt them for captivity through selective breeding (even partially/accidentally selective breeding, ie the ones that dont do well in captivity croak it or dont reach breeeding weight so their genes arent passed on) , its only early days with all captive snakes but think dogs, humans have shaped them for thousands of years and bred them into what they are today, its a loosely relevant comparison but serves the purpose. Captive animals are not exposed to the same stresses that they are adapted to and evolved to deal with in the wild, in time the evolution (dont think big they aren't about to sprout legs, think temprement, health, ability to deal with stress) of the snake will be changed to suit captivity, in some this is already beginning to happen. |
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SaltyTurtle
Yearling
155 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2011 : 00:17:02
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Originally posted by Lotabob
That actually has nothing to do with what I was saying and CF animals dont have/need to survive in the wild as they are hatched in captivity. The point is that through captivity we shape temprement and adapt them for captivity through selective breeding (even partially/accidentally selective breeding, ie the ones that dont do well in captivity croak it or dont reach breeeding weight so their genes arent passed on) , its only early days with all captive snakes but think dogs, humans have shaped them for thousands of years and bred them into what they are today, its a loosely relevant comparison but serves the purpose. Captive animals are not exposed to the same stresses that they are adapted to and evolved to deal with in the wild, in time the evolution (dont think big they aren't about to sprout legs, think temprement, health, ability to deal with stress) of the snake will be changed to suit captivity, in some this is already beginning to happen.
If that's true, it's almost a shame in a way, like humans are in some way making a reptilian species less virile, less covert, and definitely less natural. I'm happy with my Captive Farmed little fella, and he's adapting well enough to his artificial world. |
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SaltyTurtle
Yearling
155 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2011 : 00:26:22
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Originally posted by prozacbear
My guy Guybrush was captive farmed and I could not of asked for a better pet. He is confident outgoing and curious, loves his rats (unless he's horney), and as never so much as hissed let alone bit anyone. I fell in love with him at the shop when I held him and he disappeared up my jumper, he just seemed to have lots of great personality.
So I would say its about the individual snake not their origins. Don't worry about CB or CF just find the snake thats special to you.
Heres a picture of him just for the hell of it
I agree, and what a nice fella. ***** to all the snake snobbery, let's not be so damn Snakist! |
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sandi
Sub Adult
787 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2011 : 20:10:10
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Originally posted by Lotabob
I think the important thing is these snakes live for a very long time, as long as they are cared for during their lifetime and there is no impact on wild stock then really BD and CF are fine. I dont like the idea of WC (wild caught not talking about toilets here) is the only one I would never want, they know what its like to be free so captivity would always be second best for them.
Totally agree bob, we used to breed canaries, we had a good aviary with some stunning birds. My other half always talked of catching a gold finch to inter breed with.....NO WAY! no wild bird was ever going to be captive in my aviary! |
0.1.0 Royal Python - Florence
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor - Boris
1.1.0 Alaunts - Willow & Brochan |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2011 : 21:42:27
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| Haha just seen I put BD, I dont even know what that is! I think I meant CB. |
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SaltyTurtle
Yearling
155 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2011 : 12:43:56
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Originally posted by Lotabob
Haha just seen I put BD, I dont even know what that is! I think I meant CB.
Could BD be Bob's Dyslexia?  |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2011 : 18:03:05
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| Its possible. |
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