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| JodiT |
Posted - 05/10/2013 : 21:14:56
For those of you who haven't seen it yet... BHB Reptiles/Snake Bytes TV have produced a scaleless royal python.
Opinions? To me it looks like a snake/frog.
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image removed to pprevent copyright infringement, linked to BHB facebook ;) |
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| Pythonwizard |
Posted - 26/11/2013 : 19:35:57
My opinion is that there is noting wrong with breeding royals for specific color mutation unless it effects the snake healthbecause at the end of the day when they are breed its not like you are going to put them back in the wild they are never going to face the problems the fae in the wild |
| vector200066 |
Posted - 22/11/2013 : 07:51:26
Stunning,
But you can't get the colors surely as the scales carry the color, no ??
Want though.
Also Brain who first produced it for BHB Reptiles, breed a HET scaleless head royal to a HET scaleless head royal,so lucky.
And Brain got offered £125,000 for one of his 2. |
| karl |
Posted - 20/11/2013 : 08:15:16
I think they look superb. If you want to complain about genetic mutation then ALL dogs would be "worthless". Humans like to "play" with nature, we like to think we can bend it to our will, quite often we can.
As already pointed out, scaleless is not as "bad" a genetic trait as albinism, yet everyone loves an albino..... |
| anatess |
Posted - 13/10/2013 : 09:22:30
The scaleless royal went public today at the Tinley Reptile Show. I'm waiting for reports from my snake friends who were there. Can't wait!!! |
| phlegmatical |
Posted - 12/10/2013 : 22:33:23
It irritates me how many times that Brian chap says "project" in his videos... That's my input to this conversation lol |
| Falice |
Posted - 12/10/2013 : 20:26:54
I personally think it looks beautiful, although I can understand why it's not everyones cup of tea. |
| boomslang |
Posted - 07/10/2013 : 16:14:19
While afew mutations of whatever animals do survive in the wild,most don't make it.These animals have been around for a long time.So we'd see alot more in the wild cuz of that.
Anyway people have to remember,these things aren't bred to go onto the wild.They live in your homes :) comparing healthy morphs,scaleless snakes to some of the dog breeds isn't the same either.
I have owned afew piebald chams,Not seen any for sale here for years.the black ones look odd to :P your taking away colour to replace with dark black.So can see peoples points on thse snakes.
It's not going to be to everyones taste. |
| anatess |
Posted - 07/10/2013 : 15:42:35
And one other thing Brian told us about these scaleless royals - because the royals are scaleless they don't visually show heat pits. But, they still do have the heat sensing membrane in that spot where the pits are supposed to be.
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| anatess |
Posted - 07/10/2013 : 15:38:31
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Originally posted by Kelfezond
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Originally posted by rustyp1974
However...€4000 for an animal that's been bred to have a fundamental part of it's body missing just doesn't sound right to me.
If it was that cheap I'd have bought it already, you're looking closer to a 6 figure sum at the least to get involved in the breeding project at this early stage I reckon.
Rumor has it that Mike Wilbanks bought 3 scaleless heads (the homozygous form of scaleless heads is a scaleless royal from what I gathered - not sure of this) for $210,000 from Brian.
Someone offered Brian $100,000 for one of the scaleless babies but he refused it. He wants to raise these guys himself. And it will take Brian at least 3 years to put these babies into a project. So it's another loooonnnggg wait to see if Brian thinks this scaleless trait is worth breeding out into color morphs.
I have to say, I am very interested to see what kind of pop these guys give to say... a bumblebee. Ahhh... I just love snakes that look like candy!
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| anatess |
Posted - 07/10/2013 : 15:21:44
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Originally posted by rustyp1974
You may well be right & I don't wish to enter an argument on such an issue.
However...€4000 for an animal that's been bred to have a fundamental part of it's body missing just doesn't sound right to me.
I would also never suggest that breeders should give animals away for free & of course I paid for my royals & at a fair price. To suggest otherwise would just be ridiculous. I'm merely pointing out the fact that scaleless snakes are over priced.
My own personal opinion is that they are also damn bloody ugly..lol
The albino royal commanded a high price when they were not as common as they are now. And it has a fundamental part of its body missing - melanin.
And it's official, as the baby scaleless royals finally shed - these royals are just like any other scaleless snake ever observed in captivity and in the wild in that they do not lack a beta-keratin layer. Rather, they have a thin beta-keratin layer so the scales are smooth. According to Brian, the shed skin is just like peeling off sunburn... except it is all in one piece that includes eyecaps.
The price of something is quite simply the amount of money somebody is willing to pay for it. If nobody will buy a certain pair of shoes for 10 euros, then the price of that pair of shoes is not going to be 10 euros. If one person is willing to pay 1 million euros for a normal royal python, then the price of that royal python is 1 million euros.
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| Baobab |
Posted - 07/10/2013 : 00:28:40
personally, I love it and would bite his arm off to get one. |
| rustyp1974 |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:49:20
Sorry, should of said that's current price for some Corn scaleless morphs |
| Kelfezond |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:46:26
quote:
Originally posted by rustyp1974
However...€4000 for an animal that's been bred to have a fundamental part of it's body missing just doesn't sound right to me.
If it was that cheap I'd have bought it already, you're looking closer to a 6 figure sum at the least to get involved in the breeding project at this early stage I reckon. |
| rustyp1974 |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:33:27
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Originally posted by anatess
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Originally posted by rustyp1974
I think it looks awful & wouldn't pay a penny for one. I know a breeder in France that is doing the same with Corn's & hold the same opinion of them. Its exploitation of a genetic fault just to make money.
And of course you did not pay a cent for your royal, right? I mean, you believe they should give them to you for free?
And for the record, the scaleless corns were part of BHB's extensive research program in conjunction with other scientists to determine the impacts of a thin beta-keratin layer on snakes. The research concluded that the lack of scales had no impact on the ratsnakes and cornsnakes. They still move as normal, including climbing, they still thermoregulate as normal, identify and strike prey as normal, hydrate as normal, etc. etc. etc. But they have a visual impact on the snake's paint job - much like any other morph. Without this breeding program, we wouldn't have known that fact.
But yeah, of course they're just in it for the money, because, you know, Brian is such a millionaire...
You guys are crazy.
You may well be right & I don't wish to enter an argument on such an issue.
However...€4000 for an animal that's been bred to have a fundamental part of it's body missing just doesn't sound right to me.
I would also never suggest that breeders should give animals away for free & of course I paid for my royals & at a fair price. To suggest otherwise would just be ridiculous. I'm merely pointing out the fact that scaleless snakes are over priced.
My own personal opinion is that they are also damn bloody ugly..lol |
| Redd |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:28:22
Anatess rocks... |
| Murphy123 |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:19:32
Well said anatess :) |
| anatess |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:13:48
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Originally posted by rustyp1974
I think it looks awful & wouldn't pay a penny for one. I know a breeder in France that is doing the same with Corn's & hold the same opinion of them. Its exploitation of a genetic fault just to make money.
And of course you did not pay a cent for your royal, right? I mean, you believe they should give them to you for free?
And for the record, the scaleless corns were part of BHB's extensive research program in conjunction with other scientists to determine the impacts of a thin beta-keratin layer on snakes. The research concluded that the lack of scales had no impact on the ratsnakes and cornsnakes. They still move as normal, including climbing, they still thermoregulate as normal, identify and strike prey as normal, hydrate as normal, etc. etc. etc. But they have a visual impact on the snake's paint job - much like any other morph. Without this breeding program, we wouldn't have known that fact.
But yeah, of course they're just in it for the money, because, you know, Brian is such a millionaire...
You guys are crazy. |
| anatess |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 21:07:47
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Originally posted by JanieW
Personally I would not want one..to me that is exploitation of a genetic fault. In the wild I doubt it would survive very long.
How many threads am I going to have to point this fact out?
Scaleless snakes still have beta-keratin... Albinos, on the other hand, do not have melanin at all. If you don't consider albino royals a genetic fault, then there's something wrong with your logic. Albino royals have a lesser chance of surviving the wild than the scaleless gopher snakes that have been observed in the wild. As a matter of fact, the scaleless gopher snakes found in the wild do not exhibit any handicap at all compared to their scaled counterparts.
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| anatess |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 20:44:31
Here, I fixed it for you.
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| coxcats |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 17:27:44
Might as well buy a worm! |
