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Janos
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 30/05/2009 : 17:25:58
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Each time I ask something as seemingly basic as this, I feel quite daft >.>
But that's since I havn't managed to find anything about this on the net. I've read about how Royals and fussy eaters and stuff, and that's fine, I'm prepared for that, but I was just wondering, if a rodent is thawed, can you re-freeze it? |
0.1.0 - 08 Anerythristic Corn Snake
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1.0.0 - 09 Normal Royal
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
5741 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2009 : 17:36:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Janos
Each time I ask something as seemingly basic as this, I feel quite daft >.>
But that's since I havn't managed to find anything about this on the net. I've read about how Royals and fussy eaters and stuff, and that's fine, I'm prepared for that, but I was just wondering, if a rodent is thawed, can you re-freeze it?
Hi Janos 
Dont feel daft, we all ask these questions, i will try to help you
my take on re-freezing is i dont, if i get a refusal i cant offer it to my corns yet are they are not able to take large rat weaners, but i chuck mine out on the roof for the crows and magpies...lol and they are never there for long...
but i think it would also depend on how long it has been out and how you have defrosted it, i would say it is ok, if, you have not defrosted it in boiling/hot water and left it in a viv for any length of time.
I would think if you refreeze anything that has been exposed to heat then there is a bacteria build up, though i dont know if freezing would kill it all...
you need someone who knows more than me to tell you..
If i have done either of these with my corns and they refused a feed they went straight out to the birds..
but thats what i do anyway, and i hope this has been of help to you |
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Janos
Hatchling
United Kingdom
77 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2009 : 20:00:15
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Thanks, it has.
Thing is, my corns a greedy wee thing, she's never refused a feed.
My corns on small mice atm and my royals on fluff mice, I don't think my corn would even look twice at a fluff if I tried to offer it to her.
I normally defrost rodents by leaving them on top of my vivs, where it's somewhat warm, but not quite hot, for 5-6 hours. I know it takes less time than that to defrost a rodent, but I'm somewhat para. |
0.1.0 - 08 Anerythristic Corn Snake
0.1.0 - 08 Normal Leopard Gecko
1.0.0 - 09 Normal Royal
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0.0.1 - 09 Sinaloan's Milksnake |
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hodgie
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1197 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2009 : 22:41:18
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| Re freezing is a big no no. As a Chef for over 25 years i have lots of experience in food hygiene. If you did this with your own food you`d give yourself a very high risk of food poisoning, same probabilities for your snake. |
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Janos
Hatchling
United Kingdom
77 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2009 : 22:47:24
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| ah, okay, it's just it seems a waste, but it's okay really, since I'm not *that* stingy xD |
0.1.0 - 08 Anerythristic Corn Snake
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hodgie
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1197 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2009 : 22:52:48
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Basically heres a bit more info.
Food held at different temps contain different types of bacteria.
Below approx -7 bacteria spores cannot grow. (this is why your freezer will be set at approx -18.)
soft frozen and chilled -6 to +7 bacteria will grow slowly.
+7 to around +50 and bacteria will double every 20 minutes.
Anyfood taken to a temp above +64 and all bacteria will die, unless cross contamination has occured (raw food touching cooked food, frozen food thats been thawed and then refrozen)
The same rules apply to reheating cooked food, you only reheat once.
Obviously these rules are learned by people in the food retail industry and are there to protect the consumer.
However you may decide to refreeze and never have a problem but is the price of a mouse or rat worth the risk?
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Janos
Hatchling
United Kingdom
77 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2009 : 02:02:37
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Ah, that makes sense, I get what you mean.
Thanks for the info =) |
0.1.0 - 08 Anerythristic Corn Snake
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0.0.1 - 09 Sinaloan's Milksnake |
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Gingerpony
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
2663 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2009 : 21:09:46
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| i re-freeze, some snakes seem to particularly like re frozen/re-thawed prey items. a lot of snakes are opportunists in the wild, if they can get a free feed that they don't have to chase after and constrict and kill it's a bonus. obviously if it's too far gone they'd leave it. i don't think applying human standards/expectations always applies to reptiles. |
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hodgie
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1197 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2009 : 21:35:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Gingerpony
i don't think applying human standards/expectations always applies to reptiles.
Maybe not, but then they dont get to eat refrozen in the wild either. |
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/05/2009 : 21:46:35
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| Or frozen at all if we're going down that route. |
 
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matty18714
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/05/2009 : 21:47:28
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Im sure they dont live in boxes in the wild 
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MissCat
Fully Grown Royal
1971 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2009 : 22:55:50
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| i still love the idea of a little african man running around putting down kitchen towl so that royals dont ingest any little sticks etc when they eat.... ^_^ |
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Gingerpony
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
2663 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2009 : 23:37:42
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quote:
Originally posted by Gingerpony
a lot of snakes are opportunists in the wild
is that not a valid point.....? |
Dumerils boas, BCO hybrids, Sinder Hypo boas, cornsnakes, ratsnakes, Day Geckos
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Janos
Hatchling
United Kingdom
77 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2009 : 03:17:12
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It is, but we're kinda going a bit off topic, wild snakes are alot tougher than our captive bred softies, point taken.
But back to the re-freezing rodents debate.
Gingerpony, you said you do so, so I'm guessing it's safe, since I *know* you're an experienced keeper. |
0.1.0 - 08 Anerythristic Corn Snake
0.1.0 - 08 Normal Leopard Gecko
1.0.0 - 09 Normal Royal
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0.0.1 - 09 Sinaloan's Milksnake |
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Gingerpony
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
2663 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2009 : 09:23:01
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| i've never had any problems, i only re-freeze once and if i know it's been in the cool end and for less than 12 hours eg. overnight in the viv. if it still doesn't get eaten next time i usually feed it to one of the dustbin corns - there's always something due a feed! (and none of them are in quarantine) |
Dumerils boas, BCO hybrids, Sinder Hypo boas, cornsnakes, ratsnakes, Day Geckos
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