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Redd
Yearling

United Kingdom
108 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2012 :  10:57:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi!

I'm getting a Mojave for Christmas and hope to be getting a second one not long after.

Breeding is a while off, if at all to be honest, but nonetheless I read that you can end up with BELs. Is this true and if so, how likely is it?

Thanks

Royal - Normal: Redd
Royal - Mojave: Biscuit
Royal - Piebald: Cornflake

Fezza
Fully Grown Royal

United Kingdom
1063 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2012 :  11:33:03  Show Profile  Visit Fezza's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Mojave x mojave will give you

50% chance of mojave
25% chance of normal
25% chance of BEL

Keep in mind that those are only statistics and the outcome you actually get could be very different

1.0.0 normal royal
1.0.0 mojave royal
1.0.0 pastel enchi royal
0.1.0 cinnamon royal
0.1.0 pewter royal
0.1.0 genetic stripe royal
0.1.0 lesser goblin royal
0.1.0 phantom royal
0.1.0 Columbian rainbow boa
0.0.1 aru x jaya GTP
0.1.0 bredli
1.0.0 trans pecos rat snake
1.0.0 fat black cat
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!

United Kingdom
2106 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2012 :  11:38:00  Show Profile  Click to see reptiledanny's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
yes fezza is right, you have 25% of producing a BEL. one thing to consider is do you want a pure white BEL or a dirty white BEL. super mojaves produce a dirty white BEL, having a grey head and greyish tint to the body. if you want a pure white BEL, go for a lesser to pair with your mojave.
its down to personal preferance, i prefer the dirty white super mojo so is what i shall be buying/producing, but some poeple prefer the pure white mojo/lesser BEL


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Redd
Yearling

United Kingdom
108 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2012 :  11:46:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks fezza and Danny.

What's confusing me is the likelihood bit.

If a clutch contained 4 eggs, is one definately gonna be a BEL?

Could you end up with all normals, all mojaves, all BELs?

Well confused!

Royal - Normal: Redd
Royal - Mojave: Biscuit
Royal - Piebald: Cornflake
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!

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Posted - 15/12/2012 :  11:51:56  Show Profile  Click to see reptiledanny's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Redd

Thanks fezza and Danny.

What's confusing me is the likelihood bit.

If a clutch contained 4 eggs, is one definately gonna be a BEL?

Could you end up with all normals, all mojaves, all BELs?

Well confused!



if you have a clutch of 4 eggs, then the statistics say you should get 1 normal, 2 mojaves and 1 BEL, but the 25% chance of a normal, 50% chance of a mojave and 25% chance a BEL is per egg.
yes you could get a clutch full of normals, you could get a clutch full of mojaves, or if your extremly lucky you could get a clutch of all BEL. theres no 100% chance of what youll get, so you could produce no BEL in theory in your first clutch.
to better your odds, you would need more eggs. and the only way to get more eggs, is to grow the female on a bit more. so instead of breeding at 1500g, breed at 2000g when shes a bit older.


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Redd
Yearling

United Kingdom
108 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2012 :  12:06:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great. Makes more sense now. Thanks.

Has anyone had success with BELs?

You mentioned dirty BELs... What do you mean by this.

Appreciate your help by the way and apologies for silly questions of that what they are!

Royal - Normal: Redd
Royal - Mojave: Biscuit
Royal - Piebald: Cornflake
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jbarlow91
Sub Adult

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897 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2012 :  13:59:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dirty bels aint pure white like what you would get from a mojave and lesser pairing they have greyish heads and a tint in their bodies

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0.1.0 bearded dragon- keita
1.0.0 cali king-Taz
0.1.0 royal-Clio
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal- Moose
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Fezza
Fully Grown Royal

United Kingdom
1063 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2012 :  17:04:09  Show Profile  Visit Fezza's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Redd

Great. Makes more sense now. Thanks.

Has anyone had success with BELs?

You mentioned dirty BELs... What do you mean by this.

Appreciate your help by the way and apologies for silly questions of that what they are!



Kelfezond paired two fires last year in an attempt to produce black eyes lucies. I can't remember the exact outcome but he ended up with normals and fires, no black eyes. It's always gonna be a gamble, that's what makes it fun

1.0.0 normal royal
1.0.0 mojave royal
1.0.0 pastel enchi royal
0.1.0 cinnamon royal
0.1.0 pewter royal
0.1.0 genetic stripe royal
0.1.0 lesser goblin royal
0.1.0 phantom royal
0.1.0 Columbian rainbow boa
0.0.1 aru x jaya GTP
0.1.0 bredli
1.0.0 trans pecos rat snake
1.0.0 fat black cat

Edited by - Fezza on 15/12/2012 17:04:54
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Redd
Yearling

United Kingdom
108 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2012 :  18:31:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wanna try it though!! Sod the probability!!

Royal - Normal: Redd
Royal - Mojave: Biscuit
Royal - Piebald: Cornflake
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jonoandapril
Yearling

United Kingdom
455 Posts

Posted - 16/12/2012 :  19:56:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the percentages are what make me want to do it! whats the point if you always know exactly what your going to get? :)

1.1.0 corns (amel + carolina)
2.3.0 normal, fire, pastel and 2 bumblebee royals
1.0.0 jungle carpet python
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AndyJ80
Yearling

United Kingdom
385 Posts

Posted - 17/12/2012 :  16:23:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the way I look at the odds is:
for each egg you have a specific % to get a certain morph, in this case 25% BEL.
in a clutch of 2 the likelihood of having a BEL is still 25% but the overall odds that both of these are BELs is 6.25%
4 eggs gives you an overall chance of 0.4% that all would be BELs

1.0.0 CB12 Normal
1.0.0 CB12 Super Pastel
0.1.0 CB12 Mojave
1.0.0 CB10 Fire
0.1.0 CB10 Blackbee
0.1.0 CB10 Granite het albino
0.1.0 CB12 Vanilla
1.1.0 CB12 Pastel 100% het G Stripe
0.1.0 CB12 Enchi
1.1.0 CB12 het Caramel
0.1.0 CB12 het Pied
0.1.0 CB12 het Orange Ghost
1.0.0 CB10 Pastel het Orange Ghost
1.0.0 CB12 Cinnamon Genetic Stripe
0.1.0 CB13 Pastel

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