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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 16/12/2012 : 09:31:53
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Hey guys, thought we could have a discussion of the hunting situation that's starting on the everglades in January.
As far as I can tell in an effort to cut down the number of Burmese (which are a foreign invasive species to the ecosystem) the public are being invited to join in a burmese hunt where essentially anyone can come along to hunt the Burms' - There are prizes for biggest burm killed and most burm's killed.
Now there are good aspects and bad aspects to this kind of thing - we're all bound to be on one side or the other I know for a fact myself and Gmac disagree on this topic but that's fine there isn't any right or wrong side.
Personally I think it's a terrible idea for a few reasons.
1: To enter this hunt you need only take part in a short 30 minute online preparation which is meant to teach you to identify burmese apart from other Energlades snakes - I think the hunt is almost certain to cause a lot of deaths to other species of snakes that are no threat to the ecosystem.
2: The everglades is home to some potentially lethal animals - having people who have no training to deal with these is a risk to the animals and the hunters.
3: There are alot of animals in the everglades that are going to be disturbed by a high number of visitors shooting guns and trounching through the land hunting down snakes.
Essentially, I think it'll cause more hard to the ecosystem than the burmese problem is.
What do you guys think? |
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blackskull
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1278 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 09:42:48
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i agree with the hunt in the form i have seen it in the past, im sure people had to have a licence to do this and there were only so many people able to hunt and kill the pythons. im not sure how long ago i saw this though.
i think having the public take part is a bad idea and only a 30 minute 'teaching' session is just silly. surely thats not enough time to teach people the different species of snakes in the everglades, and to prepare them for the gators. having un trained people wandering around in a hostile environment is surely a recipe for disaster.
maybe the government thinks that if they get the public involved that they will solve the problem quicker |
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jbarlow91
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
897 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 09:49:50
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| I think its a bad idea because its humans that put the snakes there in the first place so its their own fault so they should live with the consequenses. The snakes never asked to be released into the wild and they are gonna do whatever it takes to survive like any other animal or human would if they were dumped somewhere they don't belong |
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JanieW
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2279 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 09:59:51
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| I totally agree with jb, its the same thing over and over and always the innocent animal suffers for the errors of man. |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 10:14:46
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| I agree something needs to be done about the problem, we can't have endangered animals being destroyed because of an invasive species - however I'm not sure the method they're going by is the best way to deal with it, but then again the previous methods don't seem to have worked either, I'm beginning to think the problem is too far gone to be reversed now there are generations of these snakes living there now. |
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blackskull
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1278 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 10:19:10
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Originally posted by jbarlow91
I think its a bad idea because its humans that put the snakes there in the first place so its their own fault so they should live with the consequenses. The snakes never asked to be released into the wild and they are gonna do whatever it takes to survive like any other animal or human would if they were dumped somewhere they don't belong
wasn't it mainly due to a hurricane that caused the majority of them to be released into the wild? although im sure plenty have been released by owners no longer wanting them |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 10:28:16
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Originally posted by blackskull
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Originally posted by jbarlow91
I think its a bad idea because its humans that put the snakes there in the first place so its their own fault so they should live with the consequenses. The snakes never asked to be released into the wild and they are gonna do whatever it takes to survive like any other animal or human would if they were dumped somewhere they don't belong
wasn't it mainly due to a hurricane that caused the majority of them to be released into the wild? although im sure plenty have been released by owners no longer wanting them
Bit of both I believe, no doubt the hurricane made the problem worse but I think it was stikll a problem in it's own right before that happened. |
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chrisc
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
3326 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 10:57:32
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yes a lot of them escaped when hurricane katrina hit a large pet store but some on them will have been released by uneducated idiots.
i do sort of agree with them being removed as they are a slight problem but they should be trapped/captured by trained people not every redneck whos got a gun.
id love to see them put into zoo's but that wont happen so they should euthanise them humanely.
they say the burms are killing off the everglades wildlife yes this is true but after a while this will level out as they prey adapts to living with burms ect and also a lot of them die off i remember reading something about them finding lots of skeletons/dead burms after it got cold.
the eco system will find a balance before long |
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jbarlow91
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
897 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 11:24:34
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| If they have got to kill them it should be done in a humane way the last thing america should be doing is encouraging people to use guns with all the problems they have just seems they are never going to learn. Makes u wonder how many more kids have got to die before they make guns illegal |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 11:34:50
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I'm not too keen on how the website said they wanted the snakes euthanised in the field - the instructions on how to do so gave a diagram of where on the burm's head the bullet or blade should go. Sounds simple on a website but I imagine when you're wrestling a 10ft burm in a swamp caked in mud and drenched it won't be quite so simple. I imagine alot of them will be just viciously stabbed to death. Decapitation seems easier way but I imagine that again is alot harder to do than one might think, I imagine there is a lot of bone and muscle in a burm's neck.
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PS. Let's leave the gun control debate for another time, the tragedy is still a bit too fresh for my liking. |
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jbarlow91
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
897 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 12:07:15
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| Should be left to proffesionals to deal with I think there is gonna be a lot of people gettin hurt aswell as snakes. It ok saying you will do it when they are in the safety of their home but when they are in the field face to face with 10-15 ft snakes might be a different story |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 12:22:56
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| Absolutely - I love snakes myself but I sure as hell get intimidated by my 6ft boa when he's being aggressive - an angry 10ft burm is going to be much scarier and if the hunter isn't experienced with snakes or maybe doesn't even know much about them he's going to be in for a hard time |
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richard v
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
563 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 12:48:32
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| Being a burmese python owner I realise the responsibility that comes with owning a snake like this, reading the website kelf mentions does alarm me if im honest. what we need to remember is these snakes are not native to the glades they are there because of natural disastar and many unwanted pets and is fortunate for the burmese python that the eco system there is perfect for them to survive and pretty much replicates their natural environment The introduction of these snakes to the glades has had devastating consequences to the ecosystem. Burmese pythons have been found to feed on a wide variety of mammals and birds in the Everglades-even the occasional alligator! By preying on native wildlife, and competing with other native predators, the burmese pythons are seriously impacting the natural order of south Florida's ecological communities. introduction of any foreign species to an eco system such as this can endanger many other plants and wildlife that people are working so hard to promote. I do agree that something needs to be done about this problem but am unsure that this is the best way forward, although from my own research I have seen that over 1800 snakes have been caught since the the invasion started which is only fraction of what are living in the glade, with an area covering the size of 2500sq miles in mainly marsh land it will be almost impossible to cull all of these snakes. education as with most issues is the key but I think its a little late for that by this I mean trying to let people know the harm that can be done by letting your snake go when you have had enough. I am aware that hunting is a rather big pass time in america so am not suprised in the slightest that they are encouraging people to come out and hunt after watching a 30 minute training video, I guess locals just want to do there bit and try to protect environment. Due to the size of this place I doubt that to much harm will come to it and we can only hope that they stick to there task and remove the correct snakes and dont get carried away mistaking the wrong animals. As for lethal animals, yes there are many out there and if people are stupid enough to go out there with 30 mins online training then good luck to them, might be the next news story snake hunter gets bitten by alligator . (biggest post I ever written) |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 12:56:28
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Originally posted by richard v
Being a burmese python owner I realise the responsibility that comes with owning a snake like this, reading the website kelf mentions does alarm me if im honest. what we need to remember is these snakes are not native to the glades they are there because of natural disastar and many unwanted pets and is fortunate for the burmese python that the eco system there is perfect for them to survive and pretty much replicates their natural environment The introduction of these snakes to the glades has had devastating consequences to the ecosystem. Burmese pythons have been found to feed on a wide variety of mammals and birds in the Everglades-even the occasional alligator! By preying on native wildlife, and competing with other native predators, the burmese pythons are seriously impacting the natural order of south Florida's ecological communities. introduction of any foreign species to an eco system such as this can endanger many other plants and wildlife that people are working so hard to promote. I do agree that something needs to be done about this problem but am unsure that this is the best way forward, although from my own research I have seen that over 1800 snakes have been caught since the the invasion started which is only fraction of what are living in the glade, with an area covering the size of 2500sq miles in mainly marsh land it will be almost impossible to cull all of these snakes. education as with most issues is the key but I think its a little late for that by this I mean trying to let people know the harm that can be done by letting your snake go when you have had enough. I am aware that hunting is a rather big pass time in america so am not suprised in the slightest that they are encouraging people to come out and hunt after watching a 30 minute training video, I guess locals just want to do there bit and try to protect environment. Due to the size of this place I doubt that to much harm will come to it and we can only hope that they stick to there task and remove the correct snakes and dont get carried away mistaking the wrong animals. As for lethal animals, yes there are many out there and if people are stupid enough to go out there with 30 mins online training then good luck to them, might be the next news story snake hunter gets bitten by alligator . (biggest post I ever written)
All very good points. |
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jbarlow91
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
897 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 13:08:03
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| I think one of their main problems will be acctually spotting the pythons. I seen a programme on tv and they were trying to find burms in the everglades and they blend in perfectly was almost impossible too see them even tho they are so big. And if someone stands on an adult burm that is gonna be scared from all the gun shots they won't have time to pull the trigger |
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AndyJ80
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 16:28:51
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| I'm off to the everglades....who wants a burm? |
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chrisc
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
3326 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2012 : 17:17:25
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| the us fish an wildlife have also recently issued a kill on sight order for a young nile croc thats been spotted several times recently |
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boomslang
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 17:29:39
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ofc you will get nitwits.and people doing crazy things. |
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jbarlow91
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 17:37:05
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Its disgusting I mean its a swamp what do they think they are gonna find there dolphins and swans. There is plenty of croc sanctuaries in america why don't they just go and try and catch it so there is no need to kill it
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JanieW
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 18:42:52
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Hunting is probably one of the most popular hobbiesin the States. I have had horses all of my life, but never once went Fox Hunting. I don't agree with any blood sport, I won't go to Spain cos how how they treat animals appals me.
Nah I am sick of how mankind kills animals and tortures for entertainment. |
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IncurableFlirt
Yearling
USA
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 19:22:22
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Being from the US, it hurts my heart to know that we are the ones that are perpetrating this horrendous act. In all honesty, though, it doesn't surprise me. I see terrible things being done to animals DAILY here. :( Just the other day someone posted a link on my Facebook about a television show on the station Tru TV. In the show, they take a person and put them into ice cold water (there are actual ice cubes floating in it). They then dump about 20 snakes into the water and the person has to get out of the pool. Not only is the person deathly afraid of snakes, but most of the snakes used are Corns, Royals, Milks and Kings. Whoever sent me the link, it was for a petition that they got started to ban this show for the cruelty to animals. Many of the snakes sink to the bottom of this deep tank and the water is FREEZING cold. When I saw that, I was furious! Not only did I sign the petition, I also shared it and told all of my friends to share it on their walls. It is just sickening what man will do for entertainment purposes where other living creatures are concerned.
I do NOT agree with the Everglades hunt. I think it is stupid, foolish, dangerous and above all just asking for outright trouble. I am all for having a controlled situation where WELL-TRAINED hunters who have had experience hunting large snakes come in and help try to thin out the population. They would be able to do it humanely without trampling the Everglades into oblivion. But just giving every Tom,****and Harry a knife and a gun and setting them loose....and to add prize money on top of that? I expect a lot of humans are going to be injured or even killed....but think of ALL the wildlife that is going to fall prey to those bloodthirsty grunts! It just makes me sick, both to my stomach and in my heart. It's no wonder the world thinks that Americans are evil spawn of Satan. :( |
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The Florida-Burmese Hunting Thing!
