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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 19/09/2013 : 23:58:19
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So you may or may not have heard but Brian Barczyk of BHB and Snakebyte TV fame has produced the first ever scaleless Royal Python (they say ball, I can't being myself to drop the royal)
Anyway staff at BHB have uploaded to Facebook a few photos of the now quite famous, yet to leave the egg snake but I think this one shows it best.
So guys what do you think? |
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Baobab
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1393 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 00:34:10
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| looks good. looking forward to seeing it out of the egg. |
Royal 8.0 - Piebald (Dipstick), Calico (Flake), Pinstripe (Copper), Kingpin het Hypo (Gabriel), Soulsucker (Morgoth), Clown (Ziggy), Phantom (Spook), Enchi( Stenchi) .................Royal 0.12 - Pastel (Elanor), Spider (Willow), Normal het pied (Loki),, Pastel Sterling Orange Hypo (Misty), Normal (WC parents) (Cinders), Pewter (Tinuviel), Yellowbelly (Kaiko), Mojave (Milly), Champagne (Bubbles), Fire (Flame), Karma paradox (Smudge), Amoretti (Rita).Boa's 2.2.1- Eowyn (common), Snuggles (BCC), Bonnie (BCC), Bear (BCL) & Baileys (Kahl strain)..........Western Hognose 0.0.2 - Timmy & Henry.
Coastal*diamond carpet python 0.0.1- Pippin.........Brazilian Rainbow Boa 0.0.1 - Badger..........Granite Burmese 0.1 - Sally
Reticulated python 2.2 - Saru (purple albino), Cheesy (Sunfire albino white), Titan (Platinum Titanium) & Gala (Sunfiretiger het albino)......Rat snake 1.0 Remmy.
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 01:08:02
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| Looking forward to seeing it out the egg as well! |
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jonnyc1988
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
908 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 01:31:58
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| I saw this earlier. Im not keen on the idea of scaleless. I suppose its not so important given that these will exclusively be kept in captivity, but it is essentially the breeding of a useless animal. Wouldnt last 5 mins in wild. |
1.0.0 Pastel Royal Python - Juju CB11
0.1.0 Western Hognose - Hetti CB12
1.0.0 Fire Harlequin Crested Gecko - Jasper CB13
0.1.0 Het Kahl Common Boa (bci) - Pandora CB13
1.3.0 Viper geckos
1.1.0 66% PH Toffee 50% Kayuadi reticulated pythons
0.1.0 Platinum Tiger Reticulated python |
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jonnyc1988
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
908 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 01:32:55
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| Also, why have they ripped the egg open? |
1.0.0 Pastel Royal Python - Juju CB11
0.1.0 Western Hognose - Hetti CB12
1.0.0 Fire Harlequin Crested Gecko - Jasper CB13
0.1.0 Het Kahl Common Boa (bci) - Pandora CB13
1.3.0 Viper geckos
1.1.0 66% PH Toffee 50% Kayuadi reticulated pythons
0.1.0 Platinum Tiger Reticulated python |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 01:34:04
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| Most breeders cut eggs before they hatch. Have done it myself it doesn't really cause any harm just opens up the egg for the snake. |
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jonnyc1988
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
908 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 03:09:40
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Ah right. didnt realise 
Still not sure I agree with the whole scaleless thing. Wont the snake feel..... naked? lol |
1.0.0 Pastel Royal Python - Juju CB11
0.1.0 Western Hognose - Hetti CB12
1.0.0 Fire Harlequin Crested Gecko - Jasper CB13
0.1.0 Het Kahl Common Boa (bci) - Pandora CB13
1.3.0 Viper geckos
1.1.0 66% PH Toffee 50% Kayuadi reticulated pythons
0.1.0 Platinum Tiger Reticulated python |
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chrisc
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
3326 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 03:41:37
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These should be euthanised, they are defective animals its one thing to breed for a different colour but to breed something with part missing is just wrong.
These are worse than scaleless corns as not having the scales the royals wont have their heat pits.
Yet another reason to severly dislike snakebytes |
1.0.0 burmese python,giblet. 1.0.0 BCI, william. 0.1.0 blue tongue skink, 0.1.0 green iguana, jasmin, 1.0.0 cape house snake, 0.1.0 checkered garter snake
my youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/pegrocks
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 03:51:08
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Originally posted by chrisc
These should be euthanised, they are defective animals its one thing to breed for a different colour but to breed something with part missing is just wrong.
These are worse than scaleless corns as not having the scales the royals wont have their heat pits.
Yet another reason to severly dislike snakebytes
Why wouldn't they have heat pits? |
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jonnyc1988
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
908 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 04:33:27
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Yeah, would have thought heat pits would still be there...
Either way, I do agree to disagree with the scaleless thing. Surely these snakes will damage themselves really easily moving around the viv?
It doesnt seem right at all. |
1.0.0 Pastel Royal Python - Juju CB11
0.1.0 Western Hognose - Hetti CB12
1.0.0 Fire Harlequin Crested Gecko - Jasper CB13
0.1.0 Het Kahl Common Boa (bci) - Pandora CB13
1.3.0 Viper geckos
1.1.0 66% PH Toffee 50% Kayuadi reticulated pythons
0.1.0 Platinum Tiger Reticulated python |
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chrisc
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
3326 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 04:43:31
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this is the derma royal python that these new hideous thing's have been bred from, no heat pit's
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1.0.0 burmese python,giblet. 1.0.0 BCI, william. 0.1.0 blue tongue skink, 0.1.0 green iguana, jasmin, 1.0.0 cape house snake, 0.1.0 checkered garter snake
my youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/pegrocks
incubate 2 campaign
https://www.facebook.com/incubate2 |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 05:28:01
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| How odd. I wonder why they don't have pits. |
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jonnyc1988
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
908 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 05:29:19
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| Huh!! Thats weird!!! |
1.0.0 Pastel Royal Python - Juju CB11
0.1.0 Western Hognose - Hetti CB12
1.0.0 Fire Harlequin Crested Gecko - Jasper CB13
0.1.0 Het Kahl Common Boa (bci) - Pandora CB13
1.3.0 Viper geckos
1.1.0 66% PH Toffee 50% Kayuadi reticulated pythons
0.1.0 Platinum Tiger Reticulated python |
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chrisc
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
3326 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 05:34:34
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i assume the pit's are still there inside but without the scale's there's nothing to form a solid edge/hole round them.
so it's removed something that has evolved over million's of year's to help them locate prey, granted not a huge issue with a captive animal but it's still breeding something with part's of it's genetic makeup missing |
1.0.0 burmese python,giblet. 1.0.0 BCI, william. 0.1.0 blue tongue skink, 0.1.0 green iguana, jasmin, 1.0.0 cape house snake, 0.1.0 checkered garter snake
my youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/pegrocks
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jonnyc1988
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
908 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 05:39:21
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Will the scaleless royal still have ventral scales? I would have thought it would cut itself or get quite bad friction marks etc. from having no protection.
I really dont see the point, its ugly!! |
1.0.0 Pastel Royal Python - Juju CB11
0.1.0 Western Hognose - Hetti CB12
1.0.0 Fire Harlequin Crested Gecko - Jasper CB13
0.1.0 Het Kahl Common Boa (bci) - Pandora CB13
1.3.0 Viper geckos
1.1.0 66% PH Toffee 50% Kayuadi reticulated pythons
0.1.0 Platinum Tiger Reticulated python |
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chrisc
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
3326 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 05:44:03
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Originally posted by jonnyc1988
Will the scaleless royal still have ventral scales? I would have thought it would cut itself or get quite bad friction marks etc. from having no protection.
I really dont see the point, its ugly!!
the scaleless snake's do still have the ventral scale's it's just all the other one's that are missing.
that's one thing that would concern me a lot even crawling under a hide i would have thought could damage them |
1.0.0 burmese python,giblet. 1.0.0 BCI, william. 0.1.0 blue tongue skink, 0.1.0 green iguana, jasmin, 1.0.0 cape house snake, 0.1.0 checkered garter snake
my youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/pegrocks
incubate 2 campaign
https://www.facebook.com/incubate2 |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 05:48:18
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| Do we know how tough the skin is? Obviously this newborn is soft but how about the older ones does the skin toughen up? |
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jonnyc1988
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
908 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 06:02:01
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| I wouldnt have thought it would ever be tough enough. They have scales for a reason. Mine has done some damage to its head before by going under the back of his hide. Would hate to think what that would have done to a scaleless snake. |
1.0.0 Pastel Royal Python - Juju CB11
0.1.0 Western Hognose - Hetti CB12
1.0.0 Fire Harlequin Crested Gecko - Jasper CB13
0.1.0 Het Kahl Common Boa (bci) - Pandora CB13
1.3.0 Viper geckos
1.1.0 66% PH Toffee 50% Kayuadi reticulated pythons
0.1.0 Platinum Tiger Reticulated python |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 06:09:08
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Originally posted by jonnyc1988
I wouldnt have thought it would ever be tough enough. They have scales for a reason. Mine has done some damage to its head before by going under the back of his hide. Would hate to think what that would have done to a scaleless snake.
They have scales to protect them from attack, while I'm sure it also helps navigate rough terrain without feet and legs - in a captive environment there's no reason the snake should be exposed to anything too rough.
This isn't the first scaleless snake in existence there are quite a lot of them around I've never seen anything to suggest they often get injured from their lack of scales.
I'll be reserving judgement on it myself until we know more. |
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phlegmatical
Yearling
United Kingdom
403 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 06:44:43
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| I don't like it for same reasons as Chris and johnny. But then I don't like the spider gene for obvious reasons either! |
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Fezza
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1063 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2013 : 07:26:39
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Congrats to BHB
It may not be to everyones taste but, at least someone is pushing the limits and it's got a lot of people talking and, talking about BHB!!
To my way of thinking this mutation is no different to any other. How long would an albino last in the wild??
In the interest of fairness, I'm not a fan of the scaleless but, I'd love to hold one just to see how it felt |
1.0.0 normal royal
1.0.0 mojave royal
1.0.0 pastel enchi royal
0.1.0 cinnamon royal
0.1.0 pewter royal
0.1.0 genetic stripe royal
0.1.0 lesser goblin royal
0.1.0 phantom royal
0.1.0 Columbian rainbow boa
0.0.1 aru x jaya GTP
0.1.0 bredli
1.0.0 trans pecos rat snake
1.0.0 fat black cat
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The first Scaleless Royal Python hatched today
