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hiper2009
Yearling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 20/12/2010 : 21:12:25
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| I have seen two HC Pastels today and had a handle a pair of CB10's , and then handled a pair of Pinstripes i was so close to buying the HC Pastels but then my mind told me to think about it and have a good think on the Pinstripes and now I'm totally confused with what i want and i need a pair for my breeding project in 2014 - 2015 , But don't know what Pinstripes will produce if both parents are the same morph could you guys tell me what you think ? |
0.0.1 Royal Python Het Pied 100% CB10 - Chaos
1.1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa CB10 - Bow/Mayhem
0.1.0 Cornsnake Amel Het Motley CB10 - Fire
1.0.0 Cornsnake Caramel Het Motley CB09 - Whisky
1.0.0 Cornsnake Snow Het Stripe CB07 - Romeo - R.I.P
1.0.0 Super Golden Labrador Dog CB02 - Bailey
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1.2.0 Royal Python - Pastel , Pinstripe , Lesser. |
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 20/12/2010 : 21:27:02
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for one, there is no such thing as a hc pastel, just a pastel
and a pinstripe x pintrsipe would produce 50% normal 50% pinstripe
pastel pastel will produce 25% normal 50% pastal and 25% super pastel
or u could get one of each and produce pastel pinstripes |
1.2 royal pythons 0.1 hog island boa 1.0 corn snake
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
11327 Posts |
Posted - 20/12/2010 : 21:38:45
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Pinstripe x Pinstripe:
25% Normal
50% Heterozygous Pinstripe
25% Homozygous Pinstripe
As Pinstripe is a dominant gene, both the Heterozygous and Homozygous Pinstripes would look the same.
Why not buy a Pastel and a Pinstripe as a pair to make Lemonblasts? |
 
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hiper2009
Yearling
United Kingdom
259 Posts |
Posted - 20/12/2010 : 21:56:04
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quote:
Originally posted by reptiledanny
for one, there is no such thing as a hc pastel, just a pastel
and a pinstripe x pintrsipe would produce 50% normal 50% pinstripe
pastel pastel will produce 25% normal 50% pastal and 25% super pastel
or u could get one of each and produce pastel pinstripes
Well i have been told by the reptile shop that the Pastels he has are High Contrast which are more gorgeous and yes they are when i saw them they was amazing but hard to choose against a pinstripe..  |
0.0.1 Royal Python Het Pied 100% CB10 - Chaos
1.1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa CB10 - Bow/Mayhem
0.1.0 Cornsnake Amel Het Motley CB10 - Fire
1.0.0 Cornsnake Caramel Het Motley CB09 - Whisky
1.0.0 Cornsnake Snow Het Stripe CB07 - Romeo - R.I.P
1.0.0 Super Golden Labrador Dog CB02 - Bailey
Wish List:
1.2.0 Royal Python - Pastel , Pinstripe , Lesser. |
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hiper2009
Yearling
United Kingdom
259 Posts |
Posted - 20/12/2010 : 21:56:58
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Originally posted by Blackecho
Pinstripe x Pinstripe:
25% Normal
50% Heterozygous Pinstripe
25% Homozygous Pinstripe
As Pinstripe is a dominant gene, both the Heterozygous and Homozygous Pinstripes would look the same.
Why not buy a Pastel and a Pinstripe as a pair to make Lemonblasts?
Thats a good point but would the Female have to be the pinstripe or does it not matter ? |
0.0.1 Royal Python Het Pied 100% CB10 - Chaos
1.1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa CB10 - Bow/Mayhem
0.1.0 Cornsnake Amel Het Motley CB10 - Fire
1.0.0 Cornsnake Caramel Het Motley CB09 - Whisky
1.0.0 Cornsnake Snow Het Stripe CB07 - Romeo - R.I.P
1.0.0 Super Golden Labrador Dog CB02 - Bailey
Wish List:
1.2.0 Royal Python - Pastel , Pinstripe , Lesser. |
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 20/12/2010 : 22:00:53
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| doesn't matter, but it depends on breeding plans, if u say wanted to breed ur pinstripe to something else in the future, then get a male pinstripe and female pastel, but if u want to breed ur pastel to something different in the future as well as the pinstripe, then get a male pastel and female psintripe, or u go for the money side of it, and get the cheapest female, so if the pinstripe female was more expensive than a male, and was more expensive than a female pastel, then get a male pinstripe and a female pastel |
1.2 royal pythons 0.1 hog island boa 1.0 corn snake
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hiper2009
Yearling
United Kingdom
259 Posts |
Posted - 20/12/2010 : 22:04:11
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Originally posted by reptiledanny
doesn't matter, but it depends on breeding plans, if u say wanted to breed ur pinstripe to something else in the future, then get a male pinstripe and female pastel, but if u want to breed ur pastel to something different in the future as well as the pinstripe, then get a male pastel and female psintripe, or u go for the money side of it, and get the cheapest female, so if the pinstripe female was more expensive than a male, and was more expensive than a female pastel, then get a male pinstripe and a female pastel
But like BE said above about the Pinstripe being dominant gene and a pastel is a co-dominant gene i am really not sure i think i will wait for him to reply , but thanks anyways Danny.  |
0.0.1 Royal Python Het Pied 100% CB10 - Chaos
1.1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa CB10 - Bow/Mayhem
0.1.0 Cornsnake Amel Het Motley CB10 - Fire
1.0.0 Cornsnake Caramel Het Motley CB09 - Whisky
1.0.0 Cornsnake Snow Het Stripe CB07 - Romeo - R.I.P
1.0.0 Super Golden Labrador Dog CB02 - Bailey
Wish List:
1.2.0 Royal Python - Pastel , Pinstripe , Lesser. |
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 20/12/2010 : 22:07:36
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it doesn't matter about being male or female, and it doesn't matter about them being co-dom or dominant, that is just that co-dom will produce supers and dominant wont
trust me, i now what im talking about |
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Edited by - reptiledanny on 20/12/2010 22:21:13 |
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Royalbob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
1115 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 00:39:39
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quote:
Originally posted by Blackecho
Pinstripe x Pinstripe:
25% Normal
50% Heterozygous Pinstripe
25% Homozygous Pinstripe
As Pinstripe is a dominant gene, both the Heterozygous and Homozygous Pinstripes would look the same.
Why not buy a Pastel and a Pinstripe as a pair to make Lemonblasts?
Exactly. Where as
Pastel x Pastel
25% normal
50% Pastel (visable hetrozygous for super pastel)
25% Super Pastel (homozygous)
Beacause pastel is a co dominant gene they are all visual, meaning pastel looking, Yes some are much better examples than others but they are all just pastels. What the dealer is fobbing you off with as a HC pastel is just what he/you think are nice examples.
Crossing a pastel and pastel together will give you a 25% chance per egg of getting a Super Pastel which again is different in color and genetics. Much brighter with loads of blushing.
Where the genetics differ are that if you breed a pinstripe or pastel to a normal and you should get 50% normal 50% pinstripe/ pastel.
But breed the homozygous (super) form to a normal and you will get 100% pins or 100% pastels guaranteed
So in short there's absolutely no point buying 2 pins to breed unless you just want to make more of the same looking pins as you wouldn't even know which ones were the identical looking supers.
As BE already said makes much more sense to by a pastel and a pinstripe and shoot for lemonblast.  or as i said before buy 2 females grow them on and then buy a male. different gene and shoot for a triple gene combo.  Why have a male sitting around waiting to breed when you can be growing on 2 females. just my opinion.
Pastel X Pinstripe
25% normal
25% Pastel
25% Pinstripe
25% Lemonblast if your lucky
Oh and it doesn't matter what way round the sexes are it's the same odds
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1.0 Enchi X Pastel
1.0 Fire het clown
1.0 Bumblebee
1.0 pinstripe
0.1 Enchi Fire
0.1 Pastel calico
0.1 Yellow belly Pinstripe
0.1 Lemon pastel poss het clown
0.1 Het clown
0.1 Yellow belly
0.1 Green Mojave
0.1 HC Albino
0.2 Normals
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 11:47:43
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| you could buy a female pinstripe and a female pastel now, and then buy a male pastel in a year or 2, and then u can breed for super pastel, and lemon blast, which both are amazing morphs |
1.2 royal pythons 0.1 hog island boa 1.0 corn snake
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Brookestar
Yearling
110 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 13:13:57
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quote:
Blackecho Posted - 20/12/2010 : 21:38:45
Pinstripe x Pinstripe:
25% Normal
50% Heterozygous Pinstripe
25% Homozygous Pinstripe
is homo pinstripe same as super pinstripe? my wizard says pinstripe x pinstripe = 25% normal 50% pinstripe 25% super pinstripe |
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 13:26:27
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| yes, but there is not really a super pinstripe, they look exactly teh same |
1.2 royal pythons 0.1 hog island boa 1.0 corn snake
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 13:33:18
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That is the Pastel x Pinstripe (Lemon Blast)
That is the Pastel x Pastel (Super Pastel)
Of course from the pastel pastel you'd only have a 25% chance of those supers.
That is the Pinstripe x Pinstripe, only results in a pinstripe but it's 75% chance as far as I can tell.
That is your basic Pastel x Pastel
I'd suggest you simply pick the snake you like the best and choose your breeding plan from that :)
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Edited by - Kelfezond on 21/12/2010 13:33:47 |
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Royalbob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
1115 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 20:16:22
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With a dominant morph such as a pinstripe or spider the homozygous (super) looks identical to the heterozygous.
The difference comes with the genetics for instance if you bred a heterozygous pinstripe to a normal albino you would get 50% normals het for albino and 50% pinstripe het for albino.
A homozygous pinstripe bred to a normal albino you would produce 100% pinstripes het for albino.
So you can see a homozygous (super) pinstripe works the same as a homozygous (super) pastel. Thing is because you would not know which offspring were homozygous (super) you would have to breed them all to prove them out. hope this clears it up.
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1.0 Enchi butter
1.0 Enchi X Pastel
1.0 Fire het clown
1.0 Bumblebee
1.0 pinstripe
0.1 Enchi Fire
0.1 Pastel calico
0.1 Yellow belly Pinstripe
0.1 Lemon pastel poss het clown
0.1 Het clown
0.1 Yellow belly
0.1 Green Mojave
0.1 HC Albino
0.2 Normals
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 20:20:12
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| can i ask where the het albino came from breeding a pinstripe to a normal?? lol |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 20:24:35
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Good question danny hehehe
I also didn't think you could get a het pinstripe? Isn't it co-dom? |
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 20:26:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelfezond
Good question danny hehehe
I also didn't think you could get a het pinstripe? Isn't it co-dom?
u cannot get a normal het pinstripe no |
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
11327 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 20:37:19
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Yes you can I'm afraid, genetically speaking, heterozygous just means different genes.
At each locus (position) you have a pair of genes, if the genes are different they are heterozygous, if they are the same they are homozygous.
As Pinstripe is a dominant gene, even having just one of the two genes being Pinstripe, the snake will appear Pinstripe.
So almost all Pinstripes you see are 'Het Pinstripe'.
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reptiledanny
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2106 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 20:47:56
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i new that, i meant u cannot get a normal het pinstripe
so in theory there is a super form to everything, just some of them like the pinstripe look exactly the same |
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Edited by - reptiledanny on 21/12/2010 20:48:33 |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 20:55:01
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| Learn something new every day :) |
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
11327 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 21:14:35
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| Super is just a common word used for Homozygous, generally only used with Co-Dominant genes. |
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