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SaltyTurtle
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 Posted - 06/08/2011 : 23:59:11
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I'll make my personal opinion clear, I buy a LOT of stuff online. I've just got into snakes, and have bought a mixture of things from a mixture of places. The bulky substrate I'll buy from a shop, chuck in the car, the frozen food, I'll buy from a shop, the snake itself, I bought from a shop.
But the vivarium, 2 x dimmer/pulse thermostats, various lamp holders, lamps, ceramic heaters, etc etc, all bought from online discounters, and why not? They were all items I got way cheaper than the local shops tired to sell them to me for!
Let's explore this argument from a less self-centric point of view:
I have a degree of sympathy for the small high street retailer/specialist.
They don't have lots of money.
They don't have 1000's of customers per week buying from them.
They don't have huge volume discounts from the wholesalers, because hey can't but '1000 of everything'.
They have to pay business rates, high electricity bills to keep the shop warm enough for racks and mats, with customers wafting in & out leaving the door open.
They can get lumbered with stock, and end up having to reduce that sun-faded old Lucky Reptile Pro Controller after 2 years of people ignoring it.
They suffer occasional theft, vandalism, and have to tolerate the public using them as a 'showroom' to have a look, cop a feel, ask all the relevent questions, and then go and order the same thing online.
This is why they (the high street) are struggling, and gradually dying out.
No, THIS is why the high street is dying out:
Internet/Mail Order companies (like the ones I have mentioned, and buy most of my stuff from)
Get incredible supply discounts for bulk ordering.
Are cash rich.
Have dedicated online/telesales staff to handle enquiries / orders.
Have good deals from the couriers/delivery companies.
Have vast warehouses full of current stock.
ARE CHEAPER AS A RESULT!
It's a vicious circle. The more slick these big boys get, the easier it is to use them, and way cheaper. The problem is, when Boomer's local shop had sold him a load of overpriced gear, they were probably looking to make a huge margin, because he might have been the best customer of the day. When it came to the Thermostat, he was hoping to make maybe £30 profit on that item, whereas Swell or Surrey or 888 might make £7, but they sell 30 a day, you see?
It'll be sad if the smaller places die out, and I can see why they try to be 'greedy', because each sale is a rarity and an opportunity to cover wages/overheads etc.
But think about it, if we all keep buying from online retailers while politely telling Mr Shopkeeper that "we'll think about it", then they won't know what they're doing wrong.
I say we need these shops, I wouldn't have a snake, or be on here if it wasn't for walking into a reptile shop by chance one lunch time and being casually handed a Boa to hold. I took a photo of it coiled around my wrist, and couldn't get the idea of owning one out of my mind, it was a life changing moment.
Looking at pictures of snakes on the internet, or watching videos on YouTube just wouldn't have snared me in like the 'hands on' experience in that shop gave me.
We need these shops, but we need to save our pennies too, so we should ALWAYS give these people/small businesses a CHANCE to compete for the business. Maybe they CAN get within a few quid of www.cheapreptilestuff.com IF YOU ASK and EXPLAIN what you are able to get it for online.
Don't be apologetic, ask them if they can match it, if they (most likely can't) ask them what their best price would be, and then make a decision whether to pay a fraction more with the peace of mind that buying locally has its advantages too:
You get to walk away with the product there & then.
You don't have to try to be in when they deliver or go to a depot to collect it when you're not.
You get to take it back without incurring Returns Forms and Postage Charges (not to mention the red tape and delay) if it's broken, or not fit for purpose.
You can see the actual thing you're buying (useful if you don't know how big a certain thing is, in the flesh, so to speak).
You can get a demonstration of how to use it, both when you buy, and when you go back scratching your head because you've made a basic mistake.
You build a relationship which means in future, maybe after not too long, you have a friend, who's an expert, who can help you, give advice, 'take a look at this for me' and all the other one to one help you can't get from a call centre.
I'm not saying I'm prepared to pay more for stuff just to help some small shopkeeper buy a new car every year. I am however prepared to sacrifice a few percent here & there to have a relationship with an expert who KNOWS who you are, and knows your snake/s.
These are the people that you can turn to for advice in a crisis, because you're a CUSTOMER.
If you never spend any money in their shop, why would they go the extra mile to help you out?
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 00:14:20
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Depends on the shop - I would support a really good shop - BUT I can't afford to pay over the odds to support mr shopkeeper in his moneymaking venture ...does he give a damn about me? Sad truth - no.
As interest in snake-keeping grows - and I think it will - maybe there will be more opportunity for local rep shops to compete with the online giants - it would be very nice to find a Blue Lizard or Surrey Pet Supplies springing up in the local retail park, but speaking as someone who spends all her spare cash on the snakes/other animals but who is on a low income ...you make some valid points, but I have to shop around for the best prices, to survive in my turn ...
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boomslang
Old Royal - I Post too much!
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 00:19:37
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Shops are ok,If you like one on one customer service,and the fact you can talk to them.For things like bags of substrate or frozen food,smaller items are ok.I don't mind paying alittle extra for that,As its not alot cheaper online.
but the vivarium, 2 x dimmer/pulse thermostats, various lamp holders, lamps, ceramic heaters, etc etc,yes online for most stuff as its cheaper.
Id buy my frozen goods online to..but the shop is like 10 mins from me...and the p&p makes it more expensive then the shop.
If i order 50 rats
50 mice
100 chicks...with p&p it would be like £20 more expenive,then buying the same from the shop.
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I have a degree of sympathy for the small high street retailer/specialist.
But sometimes they don't help themselfs..alot near me moan about tesco taking over etc etc..then you pop down to the shops moaning,and there closed at 3pm on a wednesday,just cuz they couldn't be bothered to stay open.
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They don't have huge volume discounts from the wholesalers, because hey can't but '1000 of everything'.
its about what you sell and how you sell it to.How many shops have you seen,that have never painted there shop,have no money but hire 20 staff members,cuz the shop owners can't be asked.
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 04:46:42
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Local petshops here - pinky mice (last time I bought any from them) were 40/50p each. At my online supplier, they're 9p each...
If you can order in bulk and have the freezer space or share an order/delivery costs with friends, frozen food online does work out cheaper. My supplier delivers or you can pick up ...sadly they're a couple of hundred miles away but with delivery the rodents are still cheaper - I hate to think what my snakefood bill would be like if I bought locally - unless of course a similar supplier was on my doorstep ...that would be, well, cool (pun intended!)
Now I come to think of it, imo that is the way forward for local shops - to go online. Surrey Pet Supplies have done it and so have Blue Lizard. To combine a pet/reptile store with online supplying would make a wide choice of stock feasible, at lower prices, plus, for local customers, the shop where one can browse, and ask questions.
That would be the ultimate. Someone living near SPS or BL is in rep keeper's heaven. I think there are about 4 places in my area selling frozen food/rep supplies, fewer selling snakes, but nothing to compare with the big online shops ...pity ... |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 10:04:15
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I'm not a huge fan of local shops to be honest, I think a better comparison would be private breeders and online sellers.
Most shops, no, all shops i've been to are in for the money. Private breeders at home who do it for a love of the animals are the ones struggling to make sales, me having to sell my boas to a shop for eight pound each is absolutely rediculous, it cost me quadrouple that price just to make sure they survived and when they enter the shop they get a 70 quid price tag, make a profit sure but 62 pound per snake profit is greedy. |
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SaltyTurtle
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 11:16:26
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Originally posted by Kelfezond
I'm not a huge fan of local shops to be honest, I think a better comparison would be private breeders and online sellers.
Most shops, no, all shops i've been to are in for the money. Private breeders at home who do it for a love of the animals are the ones struggling to make sales, me having to sell my boas to a shop for eight pound each is absolutely rediculous, it cost me quadrouple that price just to make sure they survived and when they enter the shop they get a 70 quid price tag, make a profit sure but 62 pound per snake profit is greedy.
I think you're talking about a whole different comparison there to be honest. There's nothing to stop you debating that in another thread.
When you complain that this local shop ripped you off, and was being greedy, it might be worth remembering that when Mr Shopkeeper woke up that morning, it wasn't his intention to buy your (mostly adult I assume) snake collection, 'en mass'.
I also assume you didn't ring weeks in advance to discuss whether he'd want them, and at what price?
I'm guessing he reluctantly agreed to help you out because you were undergoing some kind of personal crisis with depression etc (which I read about elsewhere on this forum - hope you're feeling better by the way!)
The fact is, you had the option to walk out and refuse his price. When you asked him to buy all your snakes, YOU took control of HIS business effectively telling HIM what to stock.
Now I'm no expert but I assume a bunch of cute little hatchlings are easier to sell to the 'new snake owner' and expert alike, since they get to start with a less intimidating size of snake, and to nurture it, relate to it, and watch it grow.
Not to mention the space required would be greater, as hatchlings seem to occupy the tiniest of RUBs.
It's a bit like a 3 or 4 year old dog. Go to your local Dogs Trust or RSPCA or Blue Cross Dogs rehoming centre today, and have a look around. (You'll see a LOT of Staffordshire Bull Terriers!)
These dogs as puppies were 'hot property' selling for hundreds of pounds, yet now, due to not being 'cute' anymore, and having a rather dubious history (why did the other owners get rid of them? Most people will be skeptical, even if a plausible excuse is offered by the kennel, not enough time etc).
So now these fine dogs, which may be perfectly good companions and pets, are virtually impossible to give away! Everyone's still buying the puppies.
I used to see this mentality from customers when I worked in the motor industry many years ago. Mr Jones bought his 10 year old car brand new, and paid over £30,000 for it! He's always kept it in the garage, and hasn't done very many miles in it. He used to wash it one a week, and only used the best oil & fuel. He always put a blanket on the driver's swat to protect the leather..SO HE THINKS IT'S STILL WORTH ABOUT £30,000!
Wrong, the market's died for such 'gas guzzling' cars, nobody can insure them, and the parts are ridiculously expensive. His car's worth £1200 to the trade, maybe £1700 in a private sale, and may be up for £2495 at a dealer.
He thinks he's being fleeced, but surely if it were worth more the dealer would offer him more, not to miss out on this rare find, this bargain? Well it aint, and he aint.
The fact is, it's all about supply and demand.
So how come if he's greedy for wanting to pay only £8 per snake 'because he's not doing it for the love of it', that you're not greedy for WANTING more than £8 per snake, works both ways, if you're also claiming to be doing it 'for the love of it'.
You may think £62 per snake profit is 'greedy' but then deduct the shop's overheads, the electricity bill, staff wages, VAT, business rates, National Insurance etc etc. Then factor in the food he'll be chucking down the snakes throats until they're sold, and allow for people making him 'offers'.
Yes he's in it for the money (partly) but who isn't? Unless he's a lottery millionaire I'd say his motives are quite honourable. I wouldn't list owning a small high street reptile/pet shop as being on the Top 10 list of 'Get Rich Quick Schemes'!
We've all got to earn a living, and I doubt you do/did your security work for the love of it, working nights, long shifts, crummy uniform etc... But nobody called you 'greedy'.
I would imagine matey will still have a lot of your snakes in stock in a month or so, eating their way through his freezer.
I would also doubt he went to the pub that night and bought the whole bar a round to celebrate his 'lucky find'.
If it's so easy, you should have rented a unit, had it fitted out, and sold them yourself for £70 each, 'Simples'?
Oh you can't afford to? Well maybe that's why he needs a £62 per snake starting margin when stock is 'forced upon him'.
And if we boycott this greedy tyrant, and send him deservedly out of business, like he obviously deserves, then next time you need to 'offload' a 'harem of snakes onto someone, you'll turn up and find out his shop's become another Pound Shop, or worse still, for the snakes, a Kebab Shop!
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 13:09:51
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Hang on, Salty - those boas were hatchlings.
A while back Kelf bought a pet boa - and a while later she presented him with 35 live babies, totally unexpectedly, as her seller hadn't bothered to mention that she might have been mated.
Previous to this Kelf had had to nurse her through the RI she arrived with. Also two of the hatchlings needed veterinary care - one had to have a defective eye removed.
I see your point about the shopkeeper having to house and feed the snakes, but I still think he got a good deal at £8 per hatchling ...I'm sure he'd have had to pay a dealer a lot more, but Kelf had to do something quick about those boas under the circs and I think he did his best. I'd feel pretty ripped off myself in his shoes. |
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SaltyTurtle
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 13:15:12
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Fair enough, but ultimately Kelf to the same token wasn't FORCED to sell them to him. He could have looked at other options, or offered them to people on here, did he incidentally?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm trying to be subjective. |
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 13:20:51
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Yes, he did try to sell them on here - the one with the kinked tail was offered free to an active member of the forum. A couple were sold to another member and Kelf planned to keep the one-eyed one.
If I'd had the transport/space/means and strength to buy and keep one, I'd have bought one myself - I think a lot of people would. If you check other reptiles and exotics section/classifieds, you can read the whole story.
You imagine waking up one morning to 35 little wrigglers and needing to house/feed/care for them ... |
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 14:01:55
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I think the point that was been made is that the local shop is now at a point where it has to buy in cheap and sell on expensive because as you have mentioned the overheads are huge. In this way both the breeder (or in Kelf's case the holy crumbs, there are 35 little squigglers in my vivarium, now what) and the buyer are left out of pocket to pay someones electric bill. I don't believe that it is entirely the fault of the shop keeper either, the government shafts anyone trying to make something of themself, I need only look at my books and see the amount of tax I pay, rates, etc to see the real villains. I do support local shops and I know well that some months their monthly take home pay can be as low as £100, I couldn't survive on 10 times that amount. To put in perspective if these shop keepers were to throw in the towel and play the system well they could potentially earn upto £26k a year just on benefits so its a credit to them they plod on.
I've gone off on a tangent lol, back to topic, £8 is too low a price to pay for such beautiful animals that had been well cared for and well loved and provided for and wouldn't be anywhere near breaking even for the breeder, and you can say its for the love of it, I love my job but if I didnt get that big fat cheque every month I wouldnt be doing it. |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 14:32:28
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Yeah basically all your assumptions were just that, assumptions.
I did discuss with the shop beforehand about selling them, they agreed to pay twelve pound each for them all after I had gotten them all feeding, I checked every other local shop and I checked many suppliers online. By the time I got them all feeding I told him I was readuy to sell and was informed they were too hard to sell so now he would only pay 8 each, after finding out of course that I had to get rid of them by the weekend.
So don't assume that any shopkeeper has or will ever do a favour for somebody, they won't, they're a business and it's their job to make money off you and more importantly off your weaknesses.
However, I understand that is the shop, not the people. The people from the same shop are great, they often help me out with any problems I have free of charge, you can't get assistance like that online as easily.
And to answer your stupid question about why i'm not greedy for wanting more than 8 pound each, you clearly have absolutely no idea how much it costs to properly raise that amount of baby boas, that 8pound each wouldn't even pay for 2 weeks of feeds.
Erm le'see, trying to find anything else stupid you've said but it's tricky on my phone... Oh I don't need to say it as it's been said by other members but your dig about me also 'doing it for the love' my boa babies were a surprise, I spent a hell of my own money just to keep them alive, none of your godly shopkeepers would take them off my hands because getting them all feeding would take up too much time and money, so the choice was either pay well over 1000 of my own wages to keep them alive or ... Well, nothing. |
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SaltyTurtle
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 14:50:07
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Originally posted by Lotabob
I think the point that was been made is that the local shop is now at a point where it has to buy in cheap and sell on expensive because as you have mentioned the overheads are huge. In this way both the breeder (or in Kelf's case the holy crumbs, there are 35 little squigglers in my vivarium, now what) and the buyer are left out of pocket to pay someones electric bill. I don't believe that it is entirely the fault of the shop keeper either, the government shafts anyone trying to make something of themself, I need only look at my books and see the amount of tax I pay, rates, etc to see the real villains. I do support local shops and I know well that some months their monthly take home pay can be as low as £100, I couldn't survive on 10 times that amount. To put in perspective if these shop keepers were to throw in the towel and play the system well they could potentially earn upto £26k a year just on benefits so its a credit to them they plod on.
I've gone off on a tangent lol, back to topic, £8 is too low a price to pay for such beautiful animals that had been well cared for and well loved and provided for and wouldn't be anywhere near breaking even for the breeder, and you can say its for the love of it, I love my job but if I didnt get that big fat cheque every month I wouldnt be doing it.
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SaltyTurtle
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 14:53:05
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Yeah basically all your assumptions were just that, assumptions.
I did discuss with the shop beforehand about selling them, they agreed to pay twelve pound each for them all after I had gotten them all feeding, I checked every other local shop and I checked many suppliers online. By the time I got them all feeding I told him I was readuy to sell and was informed they were too hard to sell so now he would only pay 8 each, after finding out of course that I had to get rid of them by the weekend.
So don't assume that any shopkeeper has or will ever do a favour for somebody, they won't, they're a business and it's their job to make money off you and more importantly off your weaknesses.
However, I understand that is the shop, not the people. The people from the same shop are great, they often help me out with any problems I have free of charge, you can't get assistance like that online as easily.
And to answer your stupid question about why i'm not greedy for wanting more than 8 pound each, you clearly have absolutely no idea how much it costs to properly raise that amount of baby boas, that 8pound each wouldn't even pay for 2 weeks of feeds.
Erm le'see, trying to find anything else stupid you've said but it's tricky on my phone... Oh I don't need to say it as it's been said by other members but your dig about me also 'doing it for the love' my boa babies were a surprise, I spent a hell of my own money just to keep them alive, none of your godly shopkeepers would take them off my hands because getting them all feeding would take up too much time and money, so the choice was either pay well over 1000 of my own wages to keep them alive or ... Well, nothing.
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 14:58:41
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| Lol wonderful addition to your thread, *****. |
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SaltyTurtle
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 15:03:01
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Lol wonderful addition to your thread, *****.
What is this? A forum about Royal Pythons or a school playground?
Grow up! |
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 15:13:54
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SaltyTurtle
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 15:34:46
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I don't know that I'm really 'in the wrong' here?
He's the one getting personal dragging it down to a slagging match, calling me stupid and whatever "******" was supposed to mean.
I wasenjoying this forum, as a source of both serious and light hearted debate, focusing on the 'ins & outs' of keeping Royal Pythons.
I must admit, I the first post I read from this Kelf character was all about him being dumped by his girlfriend and going into some sort of mental breakdown and depression etc etc. Although obviously I had a degree of sympathy for his situation, a few things 'bothered' me.
One is that I felt a little uncomfortable reading about his mental health and relationship problems on what is supposed to be a 'snake based' forum, and secondly that I kind of got the impression he was fishing for kind words and sympathy, as the tone was very melodramatic, and 'woe is me'.
I've been through some bad times in my life, and yes, maybe I'm mentally stronger, more mature and less prone to manic depressive episodes than some people (Kelf), but I still think he was feeding off all the 'love' a bit.
Not a worry, I left my 'good wishes' and then left that thread well alone. I don't do drama.
Then he jumps in on my thread telling me how I was completely wrong for daring to suggest shopkeepers might have a place in society because of his recent bad experience, and when I dare to defend my standpoint, he becomes abusive, childish and tries to turn it into some kind of playground slanging match.
I'll leave him well alone, and I'd appreciate he gives me a wide berth too, at least until he can discuss something like a rational adult.
I'm not here to make enemies, but I sense we are too different as people to have much common ground other than our appreciation of snakes.
The matter is closed as far as I'm concerned. Can we get back to the debate in hand, as this personal nonsense is just that, nonsense.
(I appreciate you're trying to mediate, but I won't be painted as the villain in this petty squabble. Thanks anyway.)
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 15:51:39
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No, not trying to cast you as the villain - or to mediate either.
But I think we have all got the right to our own viewpoint - we all had our say and it was all different and that adds to the interest. Let's leave it at that maybe?
I'm sorry to hear you too have had mental health problems - and I mean that because I have too. Sometimes personal details do slip out, even when they may not be relevant to the forum subject. Often forums like this are an important part of a person's social life - especially when life in the world is going badly for them. Again I speak from my own experience. For me, and I suspect others too, this forum is a 'warm place' with friends we can trust. It's a friendly place and I think that I can safely say that none of us want it to be otherwise.
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 16:02:59
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No, not trying to cast you as the villain - or to mediate either.
But I think we have all got the right to our own viewpoint - we all had our say and it was all different and that adds to the interest. Let's leave it at that maybe?
I'm sorry to hear you too have had mental health problems - and I mean that because I have too. Sometimes personal details do slip out, even when they may not be relevant to the forum subject. Often forums like this are an important part of a person's social life - especially when life in the world is going badly for them. Again I speak from my own experience. For me, and I suspect others too, this forum is a 'warm place' with friends we can trust. It's a friendly place and I think that I can safely say that none of us want it to be otherwise.
And I hope you will stay here and find it a friendly place too.
Just for the record, I said "I've been through some bad times in my life". By this I meant some tough breaks and some bad situations.
I haven't thankfully had any mental health problems, and am very grateful of the fact. I am truly supportive of those who do suffer, in the right context of course.
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 16:04:11
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The forum is a place I have a lot of friends.
I gave my opinion of shop keepers, you didn't like it and decided to make a bunch of stupid assumptions hence why I called you stupid.
I dont give a flying **** what you think about me but I dont like my name being slandered when it comes to how I acted with my boas by some ****ing **** like you. I didn't post here to bring any drama to anybody I posted on my own experiences of reptile shops, if you look in the forum section about reptile shops you'll see i've given favourable views to some in the past as well, and if you bother to look at any of my previous posts you'll see the only post in over a thousand that has been about me and not snake keeping was the one aimed at my friends explaining my abcense from the forum
Thanks for listening now go **** yourself. |
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Posted - 07/08/2011 : 16:06:19
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The forum is a place I have a lot of friends.
I gave my opinion of shop keepers, you didn't like it and decided to make a bunch of stupid assumptions hence why I called you stupid.
I dont give a flying **** what you think about me but I dont like my name being slandered when it comes to how I acted with my boas by some ****ing **** like you. I didn't post here to bring any drama to anybody I posted on my own experiences of reptile shops, if you look in the forum section about reptile shops you'll see i've given favourable views to some in the past as well, and if you bother to look at any of my previous posts you'll see the only post in over a thousand that has been about me and not snake keeping was the one aimed at my friends explaining my abcense from the forum
Thanks for listening now go **** yourself.
See what I mean? ^^^^
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