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Tom C
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 01/12/2011 : 13:43:38
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I'm new to keeping Royals having done quit a bit of reseach I was under the inpression that they do not not need UV as get their Vit D from their food, however reading today in practical reptile mag that you should provide UVas they would get UV in the wild as burrow they live in are in alinement with the sun, thus allowing uv to enter the burrow.
Any one have a view comment on this? |
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Lorraine
Yearling
United Kingdom
480 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 13:54:02
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| Hmmm, interesting. I don't use any light at all. He lives with natural daylight and seems to be doing fine. Will be interested to hear what everybody else thinks though. |
1.0.0 CB11 Normal Royal, Oscar.
1.0.0 German Shepherd, Bailey.
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 14:02:31
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I've always understood that while many lizards (and I expect other reptiles too) need UV, snakes don't. |
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Tom C
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 14:03:57
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Affectively what was said is that their marking would suggest that they do absorb uv and with the fact they live in gecko burrow ect which do align with the sun this would inforce that it is used by Royals.
and in suming up if there is achance they get something give them the oppertunity to get it. |
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boomslang
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2025 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 14:16:56
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I guess any snake that basks in sunlight,would absorb uv when basking.But don't think it really matters if they have it or not.
2.0 or 5.0 won't do any harm,but sticking two 12.0 uvb strips in a wooden viv would be overkill. |
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mystra
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
590 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 14:19:31
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how on earth do you make a burrow that aligns with the sun? it's a burrow... underground...
i reckon they get enough from the natural sunlight they normally get to be honest, i thought they would often be hiding underground a lot so i can't see them being overly dependent on UV in the same way as lizards are... but interesting topic to learn more about all the same... i'll be interested to hear everyone's thoughts |
0.0.1 Carolina Corn Snake- Sanchez
0.0.1 Anery Corn Snake- Betty
1.0.0 Normal Royal Python - Chancho
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boomslang
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2025 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 14:31:56
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i reckon they get enough from the natural sunlight they normally get to be honest
you talking about natural sunlight in the wild?or in your viv?
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mystra
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
590 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 14:56:30
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Originally posted by boomslang
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i reckon they get enough from the natural sunlight they normally get to be honest
you talking about natural sunlight in the wild?or in your viv?
both in a way... although they'd probably get more in the wild if they choose, ie not restricted to just the viv obv... just mean like ambient sunlight, not necessarily as in basking to soak up the rays so to be speak, but just the light they get whilst knocking about! but obv they would also get UV from basking in natural sunlight in the wild... i'm confusing myself now! |
0.0.1 Carolina Corn Snake- Sanchez
0.0.1 Anery Corn Snake- Betty
1.0.0 Normal Royal Python - Chancho
SE London - Canada Water |
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Tom C
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 15:26:59
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In a viv habit they would not get any UV, unless you put a uv bulb in the viv or you were able to get them outside as uv cannot penetrate glass (lorry driver with one brown arm one white arm uv causing colouration).
Research I have done on forums and books, state they do not need UV in a viv habitat as they are nocturnal, therefore do not get natural uv.
However the burrow of gecko ect are dug at an angle so as to maximise the amount of sun that can get in to the burrow up to a depth of 15 to 20 centre meter, therefore on this theory a small amount of uv would be available to said animal.
disproving that due to them not appearing till after the sun (uv) has gone down they do require a small amount of uv.
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markmifsud
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
534 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 15:33:34
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| Most snakes are nocturnal so rarely get to see what a real sun looks like. I was always told our royals would be happy as a pin in poo with zero light. |
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Tom C
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 16:00:32
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| The initial question was a general snake question however ball python was use as an example. |
Edited by - Tom C on 01/12/2011 16:01:25 |
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boomslang
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2025 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 16:44:04
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Originally posted by Tom C
The initial question was a general snake question however ball python was use as an example.
well each snake would be different,to a ball python,or say a tree python,puff alder,anaconda or whatever.Where the snake is out in the day at which time it would get uv. |
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Tom C
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 17:00:13
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| So Boomslang you are in agreement that they would prosper from a UV light |
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mystra
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
590 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 17:33:17
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Originally posted by Tom C
In a viv habit they would not get any UV, unless you put a uv bulb in the viv or you were able to get them outside as uv cannot penetrate glass (lorry driver with one brown arm one white arm uv causing colouration).
ahhh... didn't know UV couldn't get through glass... you learn something new everyday! |
0.0.1 Carolina Corn Snake- Sanchez
0.0.1 Anery Corn Snake- Betty
1.0.0 Normal Royal Python - Chancho
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boomslang
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2025 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 17:51:59
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Originally posted by Tom C
So Boomslang you are in agreement that they would prosper from a UV light
Two of mine have uv strips,but thats only cuz there in poorly lit rooms,or a room which is not used to much.To give them light in the day etc,only 2.0 uv strips ofc.
Don't forget there hides will shield them to.A royal is a bad example to use to argue the use of uv lighting.They hide away in the day in there hides,so would get more uv exposure out in the garden each week.
You could give a royal free uv exposure outside each week,at the same level as a £40 light setup.
where as a green tree python,in a natural setup,would have plant bulbs and uv lighting etc etc.
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ahhh... didn't know UV couldn't get through glass... you learn something new everyday!
wire mesh absorbs uvb at a percentage to. |
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1.1.0 yemen chameleons
1.0.0 Piebald yemen
1.0.0 Tamatave panther
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 20:02:49
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| With nocturnal animals they don't need UV but at the same time UV does them no harm if at a safe level. The difficulty with nocturnal animals is you switch on a UV bulb, they will go hide away from it almost completely defeating its purpose. I do agree some UV is beneficial so in the summer I will take my snakes out on the balcony for a little bit once every week or two, In the winter they get nothing. |
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acd1984
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
687 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 23:35:06
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Interesting topic, but im wondering to those who take there snakes outside every now and again - is there any danger to the snakes eye sight? like when the miners came up after so long underground kind of thing.
sorry its a lil off topic but relevant imo |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2011 : 00:43:45
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| That was in the dark, they aren't in the dark their eyes are capable to react to light they can close their pupil to just a tiny slit, cutting out most of the light too which I'm sure helps them. When I take Duke out he normally will just lay in the sun on my belly, I think he either enjoys it or freezes in terror, either way he gets a bit of UV and he is never out for very long. |
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markmifsud
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
534 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2011 : 08:38:47
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| If you google "do royal pythons need UV" I doubt you will find a single informed result that suggests they need UV in any way. |
1.1.0 Pastal Ball
1.0.0 Normal Ball aged 7(ish)
0.1.0 Normal Ball aged 7(ish)
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Lorraine
Yearling
United Kingdom
480 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2011 : 11:33:19
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| I took Oscar out in the sun for a bit of Vit D in the summer and it didn't seem to bother him one bit. I also read in my snake book that this was fine to do. |
1.0.0 CB11 Normal Royal, Oscar.
1.0.0 German Shepherd, Bailey.
Still lots to learn. |
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Tom C
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2011 : 18:23:01
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well it would appear that this has made a few people don thier thinking cap.
I have made the decision personally, but will still look in to and would also love to continue the discussion regarding this. Markmifsud "If you google "do royal pythons need UV" I doubt you will find a single informed result that suggests they need UV in any way." this is why I have asked, as the reply came was from a magazine (they don't know everything and are not always correct I will grant), but if you googled the answer would/may it change in the future I can see both sides personally |
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