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marc_sg
Yearling

United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/12/2011 :  20:43:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Next uear im starting my royal collection. i am thinking of thinking about the spied route. so heres where i need help. when it comes to male female genes does it matter which way round they are. im planning on buying a spider het 100% pied then im going to buy a pied het spider. but as i asked does it mateer which one is which. and i wanna get the female first so any advice please would be really gratefull


0.1.0 ghost (silva)
1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)

0.1 ghost bloodred pied corn
1.0 ghost bloodred het pied
1.0 staffy x beagle
0.1 staffy
0.1 pinstripe royal

Kelfezond
The bearded one

United Kingdom
4803 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  21:24:34  Show Profile  Visit Kelfezond's Homepage  Click to see Kelfezond's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Okay well firstly Spider is a dominant gene which means there are no het spiders so you would only need to be buying a regular piebald for the second morph. The spider het piebald shouldn't be too expensive either but in short no it doesn't matter which way around the genes are but the females do tend to be more expensive and remember females take 3 years to mature on average males are much quicker so I normally buy my more expensive morphs as males, but it's each to their own.

For the record if money is an issue you could probably buy a female het piebald for about £150(ish) and a male spider het piebald to save money, less chance of a spied being produce (only 12.5%) but will be much cheaper than buying a piebald which go for around £700-£1200 depending on the amount of white :)

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marc_sg
Yearling

United Kingdom
160 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  21:39:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Money isnt a problem because i am using my corn snake babies to go towards the royals. i was thinking on buying a pied male any way the year after. as with having the corns im used to waiting for the female to be ready to breed. thats why i am getting the female first. leaving me the next year to buy the pied male. Looking to spend about 300 to 500 on the female then buy the pied the year after the same way. i have already spoken to the rep shop who breed their own royals and he is going to try and get the genes i need. he has the highest contrast pied in britain 95% white with a lil bit of brown on the body. and has around 250 royals so things should go well.


0.1.0 ghost (silva)
1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)

0.1 ghost bloodred pied corn
1.0 ghost bloodred het pied
1.0 staffy x beagle
0.1 staffy
0.1 pinstripe royal
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marc_sg
Yearling

United Kingdom
160 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  21:41:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just didnt ask him about which way (if any) the genes had to come


0.1.0 ghost (silva)
1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)

0.1 ghost bloodred pied corn
1.0 ghost bloodred het pied
1.0 staffy x beagle
0.1 staffy
0.1 pinstripe royal
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Kelfezond
The bearded one

United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/12/2011 :  22:13:34  Show Profile  Visit Kelfezond's Homepage  Click to see Kelfezond's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Yeah well, it really doesn't matter which way the genes come :)

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marc_sg
Yearling

United Kingdom
160 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  22:18:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok lovely thank you. im gonna spend from now trying to learn the genetics of the royal to get a grips a bit.


0.1.0 ghost (silva)
1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)

0.1 ghost bloodred pied corn
1.0 ghost bloodred het pied
1.0 staffy x beagle
0.1 staffy
0.1 pinstripe royal
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Kelfezond
The bearded one

United Kingdom
4803 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  22:20:47  Show Profile  Visit Kelfezond's Homepage  Click to see Kelfezond's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I write some emails to aaron about the differences between recessive and dominant and codominant if you like I can forward those to you?

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marc_sg
Yearling

United Kingdom
160 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  22:34:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah please would be massice help marcmsg@googlemail.com thank you


0.1.0 ghost (silva)
1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)

0.1 ghost bloodred pied corn
1.0 ghost bloodred het pied
1.0 staffy x beagle
0.1 staffy
0.1 pinstripe royal
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Kelfezond
The bearded one

United Kingdom
4803 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  22:50:23  Show Profile  Visit Kelfezond's Homepage  Click to see Kelfezond's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
forwarded an email for you

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marc_sg
Yearling

United Kingdom
160 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  23:06:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lovely cheers just read it that makes more sense. did he send you explainations on recessive and co dom.


0.1.0 ghost (silva)
1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)

0.1 ghost bloodred pied corn
1.0 ghost bloodred het pied
1.0 staffy x beagle
0.1 staffy
0.1 pinstripe royal
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Kelfezond
The bearded one

United Kingdom
4803 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  23:11:25  Show Profile  Visit Kelfezond's Homepage  Click to see Kelfezond's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I wrote those- I haven't written the others for him but I can if you want me to

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marc_sg
Yearling

United Kingdom
160 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  23:27:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If it isnt too much hassel thanks


0.1.0 ghost (silva)
1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)

0.1 ghost bloodred pied corn
1.0 ghost bloodred het pied
1.0 staffy x beagle
0.1 staffy
0.1 pinstripe royal
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Kelfezond
The bearded one

United Kingdom
4803 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  23:27:54  Show Profile  Visit Kelfezond's Homepage  Click to see Kelfezond's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Sure. I'll get on that now

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Kelfezond
The bearded one

United Kingdom
4803 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2011 :  23:49:47  Show Profile  Visit Kelfezond's Homepage  Click to see Kelfezond's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Okay sent you a brief on recessives and co-dominants, if they're a little sketchy I apologise I didn't exactly plan them just wrote as I was thinking so if you have a question feel free to ask :)

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marc_sg
Yearling

United Kingdom
160 Posts

Posted - 19/12/2011 :  00:02:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sweet cheers for that nicely explained. Just need to know no which morphs are what cheers again for the emails


0.1.0 ghost (silva)
1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)

0.1 ghost bloodred pied corn
1.0 ghost bloodred het pied
1.0 staffy x beagle
0.1 staffy
0.1 pinstripe royal
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Kelfezond
The bearded one

United Kingdom
4803 Posts

Posted - 19/12/2011 :  00:26:55  Show Profile  Visit Kelfezond's Homepage  Click to see Kelfezond's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
You are welcome.

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