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lee2308
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25/03/2009 : 16:58:35
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Been looking into getting a spider royal for my birthday in a few months but after reading daz's topic on wobbling and see this video i have been totaly put off.
This spinner looks totaly stress out by it all and if you look at her other vid where she has removed the second royal from the rub it seems better,shame really those spinners look gorgeous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlX58vxt0AU |
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 17:08:06
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it is very off putting, i wonder if they will ever be able to breed this out of them?
You should ask the mrs to get you a toffee royal, just tell her the price when she has said yes..lol
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lee2308
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 17:10:39
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| really had my heart set on a spider,i could'nt watch it go through that all the time,looks like it's having some sort of fit. |
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matty18714
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 17:29:55
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| I like spiders too, but I also couldnt live with that. Its selective breeding gone too far in my opinion. |
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dazb
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 17:31:50
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not all spiders do it, and some that do it it is hardly noticable, and then there is the bad ones.
it mainly occurs around feeding time and there are ALOT of different opinions on this.
The main points i have gotten from alot of reading and asking questions is...
although it may not look nice in the worst cases, it hasnt been proven to be detrimental to the snake in anyway. they are great feeders and make some of the most stunning morphs.
I have decided that i will own one at some point cos they are one of my favourites...
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dazb
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 17:35:30
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Originally posted by matty18714
I like spiders too, but I also couldnt live with that. Its selective breeding gone too far in my opinion.
but also when you are breeding abinos, are you not breeding a species that will have very poor eyesite and if not be blind, due to the lack of black pigmant that makes the pupils...?
is that ok...?
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matty18714
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 18:05:01
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I dont see it as ok, but I see it a tolerable. Its within what I think is an acceptable level of well being for the animal physically.
The wild types are as they are because they are perfect, the best nature can make them, but as they are common they are less desireable and less appreciated. (im not saying people with morphs dont appreciate wild type snakes, I would like to own morphs eventualy).
I can only judge my opinion on what I see as we dont know how the snakes think, but I couldnt watch that and not feel guilty.
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Paulusworm
Fully Grown Royal
Azerbaijan
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 18:05:53
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quote:
Originally posted by dazb
not all spiders do it, and some that do it it is hardly noticable, and then there is the bad ones.
it mainly occurs around feeding time and there are ALOT of different opinions on this.
The main points i have gotten from alot of reading and asking questions is...
although it may not look nice in the worst cases, it hasnt been proven to be detrimental to the snake in anyway. they are great feeders and make some of the most stunning morphs.
I have decided that i will own one at some point cos they are one of my favourites...
Ditto. To start with I was a bit OMG that's awful but they are nice looking snakes.
If the wobble is exagerated when it's stressed then surely the simple answer is do everything in your power to prevent it getting stressed out. |
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dazb
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 18:20:30
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but we know that is detrimental to the snake health...where as the wobble isnt(well not yet proved). or is it cos we dont see any visual signs of it that makes it ok...?
in that video it seems more like star gazing to me... most spiders 'wobble' and i dont believe many do it to that extreme.
But then again you only see the bad ones on youtube. nobody ever posts a vid on youtube saying 'look at how my spider doesnt wobble...'
(just wanted to say im not falling out with you matty, just love a good debate ) |
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dazb
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 18:22:51
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Originally posted by Paulusworm
If the wobble is exagerated when it's stressed then surely the simple answer is do everything in your power to prevent it getting stressed out.
aparantly it mainly occurs/ most visible during feeding time... |
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 18:34:46
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Both these morphs appear in the wild, so we cannot say it is a selective breeding issue really.
All spiders have the 'wobble' but as Daz says, its more noticable in some than others. |
 
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 18:37:40
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Btw, just in case anyone didn't know, a Spinner is a Spider x Pinstripe.
If you like Spiders you'll probably like Pinstripes (which don't exhibit the wobble). |
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 19:02:45
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Originally posted by Blackecho
Both these morphs appear in the wild, so we cannot say it is a selective breeding issue really.
All spiders have the 'wobble' but as Daz says, its more noticable in some than others.
do the ones in the wild wobble? |
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lee2308
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 19:21:01
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| even though i have read that some think there is no phycological effect on the snake because they still feed well but i just couldnt sit and watch a snake do that as i would always feel that i wish there was something i could do to help it,i know this is an extreme example but if you buy a young spider there is no saying how it is going to turn out. |
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dazb
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 19:27:57
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this is true lee. it is a shame and you can never tell how there gonna turn out.
Alot of morphs out there are spider based unfortunately.
The wobbling is the main reason i have opted for a lesser though... |
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lee2308
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 19:33:14
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Originally posted by Blackecho
If you like Spiders you'll probably like Pinstripes (which don't exhibit the wobble).
Thats good to know be,Any one know of where i can get prices for a pinstripe or a rough idea of what they cost? |
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dazb
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matty18714
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 20:03:26
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Originally posted by dazb
wanted to say im not falling out with you matty, just love a good debate
Dont worry mate, im on the same page |
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matty18714
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 20:04:36
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Originally posted by Blackecho
Both these morphs appear in the wild, so we cannot say it is a selective breeding issue really.
If they did appear in the wild, surly they wouldnt last very long? |
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lee2308
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 20:22:37
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| just seen a few prices between £350 private-450 trade,cpr have one too.Do pinstripes have the dominant gene? |
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Danny Action1
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 20:24:46
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Hiya guys and girls
Just wanted to know do you think all spiders have the wobble?? When i first got my spider he did have a slight wobble and was dehydrated but he is feeding well and have not noticed the wobble since but will keep an extra eye on him now and before feeding time.
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0.1.0 Lemmon Pastel
0.1.0 Albino
1.0.0 Spider
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1.1.0 Mojave
1.0.0 Het Pied
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0.1.0 Pinstripe
1.0.0 Double het Caramel Glow
0.1.0 Het Orange Ghost
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