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Danno91
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 Posted - 23/04/2012 : 23:04:14
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ive been offered 1.1 normals that are about 4 yrs old currently living together i have asked for the weight and im being told they are 1 lb each well ive done the maths and its only 450 ish grams,
i am slightly concerned by this to me these are under fed they are currently being fed 1 xl mouse every 10 days
along with the weight issue as its a male and female whats the chances they have locked and the female may be up the duff at her weight im guessing it could be fatal,
i am very concerned about the well being of these poor snakes i asked if the set up came with a thermostat and his reply was only the cheap ones you stick on the side (i think he is thinking thermometer)
as much as i want to buy these to give them the correct care i cant afford to buy snakes i believe could be ill all comments welcome
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Jayde
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Posted - 24/04/2012 : 11:41:49
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Are you able to view them? It ciuld be that the current owner made a mistake and meant 1kg, which wouldnt be too concerning, or is muddled with age, confusing year for month (which seems a little more unbelievable but if they are an in-experienced owner, it could be done). But if they are eating 1 XL mouse, then I'm thinking they could be of a younger age, or when they acquired them, we're told the wrong information about feeding requirements as adults (unless they are in fast, which is why they are eating a smaller meal?) A thermomstat isnt being used, but they arent really a great deal of money, should one need to be purchased. Obviously they come with a viv and whatever's inside so no need to worry about that (unless it's bare in there! In which case temporary hides can be made) and if they are being sold for a reasonable price then I guess it's done to if you want a potential pair of breeding normals, or want to focus more on having a morph collection. There seems to be alOt of questions that need answers, so my first thing to do would be to view them and look at their current state of health, living condition etc before deciding anything further. This would also allow you to see what size food they are eating aswell, because if they are a old as stated, they are probably crying out for a nice juicy rat!
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Posted - 24/04/2012 : 12:54:12
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Yes, as above. There's always a danger when buying in any new snake - you have to be able to provide space for quarantine, and be alert for any problems. Plus have money in reserve for vets' bills - well, that has to be in reserve anyway.
In this case you know there may well be problems, but I'd feel like you - I'd seriously consider taking the snakes if I felt I could cope. But we're neither of us rescue organisations with funds at the back of us. This seller is obviously wanting to offload their problem and you sound prepared to take the snakes on. I would make the seller a reasonable offer, but if this isn't accepted, be prepared to say firmly that the offer stands if they have second thoughts - and walk away. A lot of people selling secondhand are dealers. Their 'pet' may only have arrived on the premises recently and they will be looking to make top whack - and often charge the earth for inadequate setup too.
However, I hope this is not the case with this sale - but forewarned is forearmed.
On a less gloomy note, I see you plan to build up a morph collection, but if you do decide to take the snakes, maybe you could get them back into condition and find pet homes for them at a later date - a very worthwhile thing to do, and a learning experience too, always something that could stand you in good stead for future snakes.
I agree it does take a lot of thinking about though. |
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Danno91
Sub Adult
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Posted - 24/04/2012 : 15:30:39
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Yes I have the emergancy funds put aside already, (standard) I already have the set ups and enough spare equipment,
He assures me the weight is correct and the pictures I've seen they do look about the weight he says, he assures me the age is correct,
I have made a offer on them as they really do need a good home and I feel I have the capability to get them up to weight,(altho its dependant on viewing)
He has said he wants double what I'm willing to pay so I have sent a picture of the graph on here of ages and weights to show just how under weight they are we will see what happens
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Posted - 24/04/2012 : 16:59:58
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Good luck, hope you get them.
I don't know how these people have the nerve, first either to neglect or buy in neglected animals, and then try to pull the wool over buyers' eyes. I wish they'd stick to selling cars or something ...
Good on yer for setting him right about the weights.
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Lotabob
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Posted - 24/04/2012 : 17:51:16
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| I hope by offered you mean he is giving you them or at the very least a hatchling cost. At 4 years old and not even 500 grams they are been severely underfed (Duke is equal to those 2 snakes plus another one of that size and he is not even 2 years old). I would strongly suggest that you only pay as little as possible of even explain they are malnourished and will need extra care and attention to get them anywhere near healthy. I hope you get them so you can sort them out and if he refuses your offer then advise him you'll have no alternative but to report him to the RSPCA as you are concerned for their welfare, see if that helps sweeten the deal. lol. |
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Danno91
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Posted - 24/04/2012 : 22:49:34
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| i offered £100 for the pair which i think is more than fair, he now does not seem to be replying to me, altho ill give another day, i was not even in the market for normals, i was in my local pet shop and he was asking them if they wanted them, the reptile manager knows i like my royals and said that id possible want them and offer more than the store would, im going to go in there tomorrow and see if he has been back in and let the manager know the score. |
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Posted - 24/04/2012 : 23:37:16
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£100!
He ought to snap your hand off, considering the state those snakes are in!
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Danno91
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/04/2012 : 23:48:27
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thats what i thought i think i may point him out to this forum and hope he stumbles across this thread, as i got a feeling that he thinks im full crap and he truly believes that his snakes are in good health
all i can say is i will keep trying and hopefully he sees sense |
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Posted - 25/04/2012 : 00:15:11
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| You're definitely not full of crap. Had experience of this myself - they will try to get as much dosh as possible. Don't give in and line their pockets. |
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Danno91
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Posted - 25/04/2012 : 10:20:36
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This is what ive just sent to the bloke
I'm really sorry to text again but I am really worried about the welfare of your snakes, as much as you may not want believe what I am telling you I am correct, I would really like you to have a look on www.theroyalpython.co.uk you will get lots of information on there on the correct keeping of your royals, I really do advise you sign up and ask questions everyone will be willing to help myself included I really hope to see you on there
Hopefully we will see him on here but I doubt it |
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Posted - 25/04/2012 : 11:47:26
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Yeah so do I but good on yer for trying - and you never know, he might.
I once made an offer for two skinny little things - according to the seller, one was feeding and slightly bigger than the other, which the seller said had to be 'force-fed'. Sale was because they'd been bought for breeding but seller had decided not to. They were wrapped tightly round each other and coiled straight round my wrist like a little bracelet. To me they really didn't look to have much chance of survival but I offered £50 for the pair. However, they had to come with setup, which meant, in effect, shelling out another £100 for a secondhand viv with unstatted mat. The seller had many other snakes for sale and gave me the impression that the whole collection, plus vivs, was having to go for reasons of space.
It was heartbreaking to have to walk away - I said the offer stood if he changed his mind. At least they were getting food, though it didn't look as if their systems were utilising it that much, and I didn't think they'd be sold to anyone else, so I might be in with a chance.
Later, keeping an eye on the snake ads, I noticed this same seller selling, and advertising for, more and different kinds of snake ...
I really do wish these people would stick to inanimate objects like antiques and dinky toys and stuff ... |
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Posted - 25/04/2012 : 18:15:28
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| It is. Fingers crossed. |
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