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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25/05/2009 : 22:24:27
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| Matty's right about the gas supply, you couldn't accurately control the dose with that method. |
 
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/05/2009 : 22:59:54
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Originally posted by Blackecho
Matty's right about the gas supply, you couldn't accurately control the dose with that method.
might be better then to let the snake do it...and just feed live...i dont have to watch it all...
but one thing about live food...
if the mouse is still alive when the snake is eating it head first, does it then die quickly or can it damage the insides of a snake? |
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Gingerpony
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/05/2009 : 23:09:04
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the prey item should be dead or at least unconscious after the snake's constricted it, so there shouldn't be any injury to the snake.
not sure how much scope there is for all that thoeory to fall flat on its face though!! |
Dumerils boas, BCO hybrids, Sinder Hypo boas, cornsnakes, ratsnakes, Day Geckos
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
5741 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2009 : 23:11:48
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Originally posted by Gingerpony
the prey item should be dead or at least unconscious after the snake's constricted it, so there shouldn't be any injury to the snake.
not sure how much scope there is for all that thoeory to fall flat on its face though!!
Ali, i watched a bit of a video on youtube and the mouse was still wriggling its legs in its mouth, it had gone down head first.
i dont think i can do this killing stuff, Kaz is going to have to.. |
"No one can go back and make a brand new start. Anyone can start from
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2009 : 23:34:36
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Ayayay... royals won't stop constricting until the thing has no more heartbeat. Unconscious doesn't quite cut it either.
My hognose on the other hand chews on the poor ratty until his venom starts to work which is a loooonnnngggg time and the rat is already halfway in. This is why I don't feed him live anymore. I did it only one time and never again! |
        
Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
5741 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2009 : 23:43:27
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Anatess
i posted somewhere in here about a cage i have in my shed, it is big but has a solid plastic base, how likely would multis be to chew out?
if i can find the post i will link it for you so you can see it...
and how do you know how much C02 to use? |
"No one can go back and make a brand new start. Anyone can start from
now and make a brand new ending."
-- Source Unknown
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matty18714
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
2016 Posts |
Posted - 26/05/2009 : 21:20:28
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| Anne, if you cant kill it how comfortable will you be touching it while the snake is contsricting? If it falls into a position where is can bite the snake you will have to stop it. |
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 26/05/2009 : 21:48:40
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Anne, my friend has his multis on sterilite tubs. Not sure if they sell those in the UK. But, I think it is similar to a Rub. So, yes, it can stay in a plastic bin as long as there are no potruding parts they can get their teeth on - like the Rubbermaid has the little ledge where the handle goes on that can be a potential tooth-hold.
Here's a sample of a sterilite tub set-up (by littleindiangirl of bp.net):
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Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 26/05/2009 : 22:09:35
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Royals are pretty efficient predators.
Most dangers of live feeding occurs when the royal is not interested in eating and the rat gets aggressive. The rat starts to take nips at the royal and the royal just curls into a ball! At this time, the rat needs to be removed immediately.
But, there are times when the royal misses the back of the head and get a leg or something leaving the rat free to bite. A lot of times, the constricting would trap the head immobile within the coils. But there are times when the rat gets in a position to sink a tooth in. You will have to stick one end of a tong between the rat's teeth and the snake's body. This happened to us twice already with our spider royal. He's the only "not very accurate" royal. The pastel and the albino are both very careful with their strike whereas the spider would strike without properly "scoping out" the rat (very impatient!). In any case, with live feeding, you have to be really observant. You can't go to the loo - not even for 1 minute - with a rat in the viv!
It's really interesting to see the differences in temperament with the royals. Each and every one of our 3 royals have their distinct personality!
So hey, you like my use of the word loo? That's a british word, right? |
Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
5741 Posts |
Posted - 26/05/2009 : 22:14:07
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what about live feeding Multis?
they are more bitey than rats arent they?
are they more of a risk? |
"No one can go back and make a brand new start. Anyone can start from
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 26/05/2009 : 22:41:11
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| I've never fed regular rats. So, I don't know how they are are compared to multis. My experience is only with multis. And from my experience, the breeder group are the bitey ones. The rest are jolly good fellows. |
Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
5741 Posts |
Posted - 26/05/2009 : 22:49:25
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| when you say breeder group are you talking like the mums and the dad and the babies are the ones you feed to the snakes? |
"No one can go back and make a brand new start. Anyone can start from
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
5741 Posts |
Posted - 26/05/2009 : 23:51:23
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Originally posted by matty18714
Anne, if you cant kill it how comfortable will you be touching it while the snake is contsricting? If it falls into a position where is can bite the snake you will have to stop it.
if the snake is killing it, then that is fine, it is not me physically doing it, and if it was going to hurt one of my snakes then i would do something...have no fear of that... |
"No one can go back and make a brand new start. Anyone can start from
now and make a brand new ending."
-- Source Unknown
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2009 : 00:04:31
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Originally posted by wolfspirit
when you say breeder group are you talking like the mums and the dad and the babies are the ones you feed to the snakes?
Yeah, the mum and dad are the aggressive ones.
The ones that never had babies are not bad. |
Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
5741 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2009 : 00:18:15
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Originally posted by anatess
quote:
Originally posted by wolfspirit
when you say breeder group are you talking like the mums and the dad and the babies are the ones you feed to the snakes?
Yeah, the mum and dad are the aggressive ones.
The ones that never had babies are not bad.
ok, thanks...
how do you know how much C02 to use? |
"No one can go back and make a brand new start. Anyone can start from
now and make a brand new ending."
-- Source Unknown
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2009 : 20:46:48
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I've found 2 squirts of the keyboard cleaner is enough for one rat in the bag. He goes to sleep in about 3 seconds which is good. Then keeping the bag upright keeps the CO2 at the bottom and he gets his eternal nap in about a minute or 2. He doesn't do the "heart attack" thing where he gasps in big gulps (happens with too much CO2). Very peaceful really.
I don't know if this is the most humane way to do it. Surely not based on any scientific measurement of some sort (which, by the way, is available somewhere - I saw it before, just can't remember where it is, I'll link it here if I find it). I just know it's a peaceful I'm-going-to-sleep-now transition. |
Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
5741 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2009 : 20:53:33
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Originally posted by anatess
I've found 2 squirts of the keyboard cleaner is enough for one rat in the bag. He goes to sleep in about 3 seconds which is good. Then keeping the bag upright keeps the CO2 at the bottom and he gets his eternal nap in about a minute or 2. He doesn't do the "heart attack" thing where he gasps in big gulps (happens with too much CO2). Very peaceful really.
I don't know if this is the most humane way to do it. Surely not based on any scientific measurement of some sort (which, by the way, is available somewhere - I saw it before, just can't remember where it is, I'll link it here if I find it). I just know it's a peaceful I'm-going-to-sleep-now transition.
thanks for all you help Anatess...are they big squirts or little ones...
and is the C02 safe for snakes if it is on the animal..
I have almost everything in place now, just need the chamber..
and also i was watching loads of Ball python vids today in case Kaz stays a live feeder..and tp try and harden me up, so long as the multis do not look at me it will be ok..
but could not find any of live multis, saw a royal get bit to...wasnt happy about that...but then the people could have stopped it...
I must admit i am looking forward to being able to feed mine fresh killed rather than frozen...
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"No one can go back and make a brand new start. Anyone can start from
now and make a brand new ending."
-- Source Unknown
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2009 : 21:28:16
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Anne, there's quite a bit of them on youtube. They're called ASF rats here in my side of the pond, so try searching using that.
And one squirt is one depression of the trigger. |
Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
Edited by - anatess on 27/05/2009 21:29:50 |
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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
5741 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2009 : 21:35:02
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Originally posted by anatess
Anne, there's quite a bit of them on youtube. They're called ASF rats here in my side of the pond, so try searching using that.
And one squirt is one depression of the trigger.
Thank you...
do you look at yours when your ending there lives or do you look away? |
"No one can go back and make a brand new start. Anyone can start from
now and make a brand new ending."
-- Source Unknown
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anatess
Sub Adult
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2009 : 21:51:27
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I don't feed the snakes anymore. It's been months now. The kids and my husband do it now. I did it the first few months just to make sure the kids learn how to do it properly. The first time was tough because I wasn't a snake-lover then. I've always had hamster pets and I was one of those people that would grab a shovel if I see a snake and try to chop it's head off.
But, I've really learned to love these creepy crawlies. So, feeding them is just an extension of that. I mean, I feel real terrible for the rats, but, I understand it's necessary for the snake's health, and you learn to appreciate the law of nature. You also learn to appreciate the snake's natural hunting instinct. That's why I opted to feed live instead of using the CO2 bag for the royals. They are much better at it than I am, that's for sure. The hognose is a bit different. When I first fed him, I cried my eyes out! He doesn't constrict, so it took a LOOOONNNNGGG time for the rat. So, the CO2 bag is definitely MUCH better than the hognose's venom.
One thing though, if feeding live, you can't look away before the snake gets that rat fully constricted. A lot of things can happen and you have to be there to intervene if needed. With the baggie, I had to look at it the first few times because I wasn't sure of the CO2 amount yet. After a while, I got confident with my idea of a good way to do it, so I squirt and not have to look at him anymore.
I have to say, Anne, it is no picnic. I guarantee you that. Lots of emotional attachment to these beautiful rats, that's for sure. |
Snake owner since Oct 2008, so yeah, I'm no expert.
0.1.0 pastel royal
1.0.0 spider royal
0.1.0 albino royal
1.0.0 bumblebee royal
1.0.0 yellowbelly royal
0.0.1 wild-type royal
1.0.0 normal western hognose |
Edited by - anatess on 27/05/2009 21:57:22 |
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