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cdd007
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  17:27:24  Show Profile  Click to see cdd007's MSN Messenger address
I have just bought the first load of substrate for my python and I have changed the substrate from wood chippings to this really thin hay stuff. It is really deep and nearly overflowing. Is there a limit to the dpth of substrate and what depth do you recommend? Please reply as this is very very urgent. Thanks!

Blackecho
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  17:52:51  Show Profile  Click to see Blackecho's MSN Messenger address  Send Blackecho a Yahoo! Message
What exactly is it? - Aspen?

I have about 1" depth anyway.

Also, it will depend on whether you are heating from above or below.



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cdd007
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
34 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2009 :  21:53:52  Show Profile  Click to see cdd007's MSN Messenger address
i am heating from below it is like hay but thin like small strands of grass the substrate at the mo is aout 4 or 5 " deep, will the heat from a single heatmatt penetrate that? He bried himself ealier about an inch.
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dazb
Royal Python Moderator

United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  22:50:11  Show Profile
wot is the substrate called...?




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wolfspirit
Old Royal - I Post too much!

United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/04/2009 :  07:14:44  Show Profile
hi

That sounds like aspen, you only need an inch or so covering the ground, you can save the rest for when you next clean his home out.



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cdd007
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
34 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2009 :  09:36:17  Show Profile  Click to see cdd007's MSN Messenger address
Ok, but he seems to like burrowing in it. Can the heat mat penetrate through about 3 or 4 inches of it because e seems to ik burrowing to aroun this depth
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MissCat
Fully Grown Royal

1971 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2009 :  09:39:02  Show Profile
do you have a thermostat?
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cdd007
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
34 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2009 :  09:39:51  Show Profile  Click to see cdd007's MSN Messenger address
not at the moment but I will have one in about a week
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cdd007
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/04/2009 :  09:41:02  Show Profile  Click to see cdd007's MSN Messenger address
I know you are supposed to change their substrate every few months but if the substrate is kept clean can you have it in there for longer?
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cdd007
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/04/2009 :  09:49:25  Show Profile  Click to see cdd007's MSN Messenger address
I just got monty my royal out and I am handling him now. He doesn't seem cold and he had burrowed towards his heat mat so I think I will leave the substrate as it is because he seems content with it as it is. Thank you for your advice and help, it did not go unappreciated. Thanks!
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MissCat
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Posted - 04/04/2009 :  09:54:53  Show Profile
if u dont have a thermostat, do you have a digital thermometer? i'm not blasting you, up until recently i didnt have a thermostat either, however, when i put the thermometer under the substrate (down to where my royal was burying himself, the temperature had reached 50*c which is WAY too high, i had to orchestrate some way to prevent the snake from reaching that level without blocking the mat so much it became a fire hazard.... basically it was a nightmare! i dont use aspen, i use a mixture of some boring paper based one and a wood based substrate, about 1-2" deep, when i had no thermostat the heat on top of the substrate was fine, but if he buried down...he was greeted by the 50*c temp... :s
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Blackecho
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Posted - 04/04/2009 :  10:11:31  Show Profile  Click to see Blackecho's MSN Messenger address  Send Blackecho a Yahoo! Message
What temperature is it on top of the substrate? - How are you measuring it?

As MC says, you really ought to have a thermostat or you're gambling with your snake's health.

You really ought to do a thorough clean-out (remove everything and disinfect) at least once a month to stop bacterial growth.




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dazb
Royal Python Moderator

United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/04/2009 :  11:01:42  Show Profile
thermostat is a must my friend...

heat mats can heat a wooden viv to the required temp (say 32*C)through the base of 15mm of wood.




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Gingerpony
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Posted - 05/04/2009 :  06:53:09  Show Profile  Click to see Gingerpony's MSN Messenger address
sounds more like Aubiose, chopped hemp, some people use it in stables for horse bedding too.

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cdd007
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
34 Posts

Posted - 24/04/2009 :  17:36:26  Show Profile  Click to see cdd007's MSN Messenger address
ok, I will get a thermostat, and a thermometer, but the guy in the pet shop said It wasn't necessary. Thank you
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mourne
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/04/2009 :  19:21:52  Show Profile
Typical of pet shops, i live in Northern Ireland and i find most pet shops say the same, for why, i can`t understand as surely it would help them by selling the thermostats.

Deborah
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Dazzetski
Yearling

United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/04/2009 :  20:49:26  Show Profile  Visit Dazzetski's Homepage  Click to see Dazzetski's MSN Messenger address
quote:
Originally posted by cdd007

ok, I will get a thermostat, and a thermometer, but the guy in the pet shop said It wasn't necessary. Thank you



Any kind of heating without a thermostat could get stupidly hot, they're a must.


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Paulusworm
Fully Grown Royal

Azerbaijan
1550 Posts

Posted - 24/04/2009 :  21:46:01  Show Profile  Click to see Paulusworm's MSN Messenger address
quote:
Originally posted by cdd007

the guy in the pet shop said It wasn't necessary.


Get him to look at this thread on "The Dark Side".....

http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/snakes/174166-do-i-really-need-thermostat.html
.....and see if he still feels the same after.

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