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Raving
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
22 Posts

Posted - 18/08/2009 :  22:15:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hi folks im still new to the world of royals. i have one at the moment but seriously considering purchasing a second. my question is can royals be kept together in the same viv? i have a royal thats about 18inches in a 3ft vivwith all the essentials but would love to have a second royal in there. obviously once they started growing i would upsize the viv in accordance to there size

regards rave

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Gingerpony
Royal Python Moderator

United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/08/2009 :  22:17:07  Show Profile  Click to see Gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5175

read this, and it doesn't just apply to corns!

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spor
Fully Grown Royal

United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/08/2009 :  22:35:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
if you use the search bar at the top of the forum you should be able to find some threads were this has been brought up before.
You'll find that there are some mixed views.
How long have you had your royal in the 3ft viv? Its alot of room for a small snake?


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Raving
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
22 Posts

Posted - 18/08/2009 :  22:40:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thanks for the headsup after reading that i think i shall get another royal and another viv i would hate to lose my royal

again thanks for the response m8 much appreciated

regards rave

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spor
Fully Grown Royal

United Kingdom
1226 Posts

Posted - 18/08/2009 :  23:03:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
good luck with second royal pics when you have him/her.

when I was getting my first royal I thought i might as well just get the 2 at once as i knew i'd only be wanting more, I to had wanted to keep them both together, looked into it a bit more and decided not to take the chance so i decided to build a 2nd viv. Now i just can't stop building viv's and have to think of what to put in them. might get a couple of carolina corns at the end of the month!


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Raving
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/08/2009 :  00:02:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i have 2 corns too. 1 carolina and a Hypomelanistic.

royal only went in 3ft today was in a 2ft tub (more like a transport box. tho seems to be settling down now.


regards rave

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1.0.0 carolina corn (bobby)
0.1.0 Hypomelanistic corn (elsie)

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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin

United Kingdom
11327 Posts

Posted - 19/08/2009 :  00:30:49  Show Profile  Click to see Blackecho's MSN Messenger address  Send Blackecho a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
If you have any problems feeding with the increased viv size, move it back.



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Gingerpony
Royal Python Moderator

United Kingdom
2663 Posts

Posted - 19/08/2009 :  19:14:57  Show Profile  Click to see Gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Blackecho

If you have any problems feeding with the increased viv size, move it back.


indeed! why are people often so reluctant to do this though???

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matty198111
Yearling

United Kingdom
174 Posts

Posted - 19/08/2009 :  20:28:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hi guys

i have 2 8 month old royals living together in a 4.5ft viv admit that the viv is full of hiding places and stuff but ive never had any trouble, they eat every week like to be handled and are allways cuddled up and also active. i also know a few others with royals that co habit with no trouble but i do believe that you should look into and get as much advice a possible then decide what you wanna do

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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin

United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/08/2009 :  20:48:58  Show Profile  Click to see Blackecho's MSN Messenger address  Send Blackecho a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
There are no benefits to the snakes, only to the owners. However, there are risks (regardless of how small), so I personally wouldn't risk my snake's health to save space.



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spor
Fully Grown Royal

United Kingdom
1226 Posts

Posted - 19/08/2009 :  21:55:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Blackecho

There are no benefits to the snakes, only to the owners. However, there are risks (regardless of how small), so I personally wouldn't risk my snake's health to save space.



Thats the decision i took in the end. Apart from stress and if one sick gets something then more than likely the other will. You would need to be 100% sure that the sexing was right or you could end up with a female in a lot of bother way before her time.


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n1ck
Hatchling

South Africa
96 Posts

Posted - 20/08/2009 :  08:50:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i just read that thread that was posted on top of this topic

http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5175

i must be honest, i did not like the replies, the guys were gunning the owner,
given he or she was wrong, yes, but the replies was really offensive,
then i also must admit and give great cheer for the Royal forum,
i have ask some reall dull and stupid questions,but you guys
have always given me great answers and great cheer
sooooo thank you all!!!!! :):)
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chris100575
Sub Adult

United Kingdom
743 Posts

Posted - 20/08/2009 :  09:05:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think co-habiting is a good idea, I know some people co-habit with no problems but to me the risks aren't worth it.

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Gingerpony
Royal Python Moderator

United Kingdom
2663 Posts

Posted - 20/08/2009 :  09:32:37  Show Profile  Click to see Gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by n1ck

i just read that thread that was posted on top of this topic

http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5175

i must be honest, i did not like the replies, the guys were gunning the owner,
given he or she was wrong, yes, but the replies was really offensive,
then i also must admit and give great cheer for the Royal forum,
i have ask some reall dull and stupid questions,but you guys
have always given me great answers and great cheer
sooooo thank you all!!!!! :):)

there are a lot of the same people on both forums actually, although some of the replies were maybe a little heavy-handed, somebody who's been keeping corns for years (the OP of the TCS thread) really should know better IMO

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n1ck
Hatchling

South Africa
96 Posts

Posted - 20/08/2009 :  10:57:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
true, i am also on the corn and king forum, and i fully agree
co-habiting is a bad idea.

but i didnt like the abrasive reply thats all,
we are here to help each other right?
and i will be first to say, i have asked some dumb q's! :)
but you have all helped me in the best wat possible!
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antw23uk
Yearling

United Kingdom
275 Posts

Posted - 20/08/2009 :  11:15:16  Show Profile  Click to see antw23uk's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Regardless of the abrupt responses the same message was clear about people's veiws but yes a little tact could have gone a long way!

I wouldnt dream of co habiting any snake (I'm also passionate about keeping bearded dragons seperate as well)
I know a guy who co habits his royals and they just dont eat. He is having no end of trouble with them and yet has taken on all the advise given to him EXCEPT seperating them which is exceptionally frustrating because its probably that one change that will get them feeding again (he seems to have tried everything else!)


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Vazzza
Yearling

United Kingdom
131 Posts

Posted - 20/08/2009 :  13:19:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Blackecho

There are no benefits to the snakes



Is this definitely right, or is it just opinion/guess work? I know there is a big debate about snakes personalities etc. but do they not enjoy companionship???

I'm not saying they do or don't, just posing the question as i'm not really sure if anyone could prove either side of the aurgument

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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin

United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/08/2009 :  13:43:04  Show Profile  Click to see Blackecho's MSN Messenger address  Send Blackecho a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Most snakes are solitary creatures, Royals in particular.

A few snakes (such as Garters) are fine in groups.

I have also seen studies say that Burmese Pythons are less aggressive if co-habitted while young.

However, as this is a Royal Python dedicated forum, then I have seen no evidence at all that co-habitation benefits the snakes. There are however proven risks associated with housing together.



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Vazzza
Yearling

United Kingdom
131 Posts

Posted - 20/08/2009 :  13:58:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Blackecho

Most snakes are solitary creatures, Royals in particular.

A few snakes (such as Garters) are fine in groups.

I have also seen studies say that Burmese Pythons are less aggressive is co-habitted while young.

However, as this is a Royal Python dedicated forum, then I have seen no evidence at all that co-habitation benefits the snakes. There are however proven risks associated with housing together.



Damn, i got told lol

I can see why people would want to co-habit. My mate was trying to get me to put a spider in with my royal yesterday?!?! Well, that will never happen.

But has anyone looked into co-habiting with a different species? Preferably from a different food chain

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lee2308
Royal Python Moderator

United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/08/2009 :  14:56:24  Show Profile  Click to see lee2308's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
someone near me did try to co hab a burm and a cat but things did'nt work out (for the cat) lol

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Gingerpony
Royal Python Moderator

United Kingdom
2663 Posts

Posted - 20/08/2009 :  18:44:50  Show Profile  Click to see Gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vazzza

quote:
Originally posted by Blackecho

There are no benefits to the snakes



Is this definitely right, or is it just opinion/guess work? I know there is a big debate about snakes personalities etc. but do they not enjoy companionship???

I'm not saying they do or don't, just posing the question as i'm not really sure if anyone could prove either side of the aurgument



if co-habiting snakes 'snuggle up' together don't get the wrong idea..... they don't love each other, it's just competition for the best spot!

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