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Tawfik47
Fully Grown Royal
Czech Republic
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 Posted - 12/04/2011 : 23:11:14
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Tomorrow I'll try again to feed Blitz, in case the attempt failed, what do u advice me guys to do the next week attempt ?
1- try to feed him a chick he used to eat ?
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2- try to feed him the same hamster in separate enclouser ?
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I had a royal python (Blitz) for two years for those who are wondering what I'm doing here with my boa :D |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2011 : 23:28:43
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| Fresh killed, left overnight with the lights off and nobody about. Royals are very secretive and you cant leave the hamster in there alive overnight so might be time to turn into a rodent hitman. |
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GMac
Grumpy scots admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/04/2011 : 00:55:13
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| Cant remember if you have said you cant get rats, but you could try scenting a rat with the chick, or if you cant get rat you could pre kill the hamster and leave it lying with a chick for a few hours to get the scent. You could then cut the chick and smear the blood and juices of the chick over the food item. Offer it to your royal and if it doesn't take it leave it overnight in the viv with it. |
 
Royals, Corns, Boa, Kings, Hoggy, Ratsnakes
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2011 : 01:01:59
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| Making me hungry, Gmac ^^ |
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Tawfik47
Fully Grown Royal
Czech Republic
1584 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2011 : 08:36:52
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So you don't prefer option 1 nor option 2,
Bob, i really don't want to kill the hamster by myself 
GMac,it really require a criminal to do all this stuff you mentioned about killing and spreading blood all over the bodies  , I'll leave this option to the end when I'll be sure that all other options failed.
I think i'm gonna try to feed him a chick, but i think i shoul remove all the decoration in the viv so the chick can hide from Blitz |
1.0.0 Common Boa - Revo CB13
I had a royal python (Blitz) for two years for those who are wondering what I'm doing here with my boa :D |
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stumpy
Yearling
United Kingdom
255 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2011 : 09:58:23
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| I know i couldnt do it, but could you put the hamster in the freezer until dead, or get a friend to kill it? GOOD LUCK |
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Tawfik47
Fully Grown Royal
Czech Republic
1584 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2011 : 11:49:01
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Letting him freez to death is a kind of torture to the hamster, i think i'll try to find a friend who could do that for me.
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1.0.0 Common Boa - Revo CB13
I had a royal python (Blitz) for two years for those who are wondering what I'm doing here with my boa :D |
Edited by - Tawfik47 on 13/04/2011 11:50:10 |
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GMac
Grumpy scots admin
United Kingdom
1152 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2011 : 12:10:36
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| wouldnt freeze the hamster that is a nasty painful death, hard impact is the quickest and easiest way. |
Royals, Corns, Boa, Kings, Hoggy, Ratsnakes
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2011 : 12:24:38
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| Thats the problem you've had him too long now lol he's basically a member of the family. |
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Tawfik47
Fully Grown Royal
Czech Republic
1584 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2011 : 13:10:04
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If Blitz still no eat for another month, i'll have to do that for him, but hope he will not refuse to eat, that whould be very bad  |
1.0.0 Common Boa - Revo CB13
I had a royal python (Blitz) for two years for those who are wondering what I'm doing here with my boa :D |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2011 : 00:01:11
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| I've seen peoplt grabbing them by the lower part of the body and whacking their head off something solid, you have to be brutally quick with it and dont fanny about either, quick single whack should do the job and put little Hammy's lights out. I know how you feel though with the having to kill it yourself, I would find something like that very difficult but only as difficult as watching my snake kill it just without the risks involved and the suffering of Hammy, the snakes are efficient killers but its not as quick as WHACK=DEAD. |
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Wendigo
Yearling
United Kingdom
149 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2011 : 16:28:11
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| Check on Google how to make a humane C02 chamber (i think that's what it's called) You put the animal in with some sort of gas, or dry ice (can't remember) and it makes them go to sleep, then they die =( |
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1.2.0 Dogs. Bedley,Nuna,Holly.
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 16:51:00
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Umm... my tuppence-worth, after experience of euthanasing myxi rabbit, poisoned rat, tormented cat-prey, poultry and food rabbits ...
Yes, co2 would be ideal.
Whack-dead would be fine if you could hold the rodent by the back legs and REALLY whack fast.
I don't believe the rodent suffers when when the snake contracts - it happens too fast. The breath would be knocked out of its body and it would go straight into asphyxiation and shock ie it would no longer be fully aware. I did watch a couple of live-feeding videos to get my head straight about this. One amazed me, as I had an idea in my head about the terrified prey fleeing from the snake ...
In this case the prey was a rabbit. Anyone who has kept rabbits will know that they rub their chins on everything. In this case, bunny was introduced to snake, who raised an interested head ...and bunny hopped over and rubbed its chin on the snake's nose ... next minute, of course, grab and constrict, over in a second.
I wouldn't live feed or even advocate it here in the uk where we can buy cheap frozen prey, and I really would be seriously worried about the prey biting the snake, but if you live where you can't obtain frozen ...
If I had to prekill a small prey like a hamster, I'd roll it tightly in something like the bottom half of a pillowcase, so that it was held rigid. Then I'd hit its head with a hammer - hard, as Bob says - to flinch from this is not being merciful. Really wallop it, and the end will be instantaneous.
There may be after-death muscle contractions from the prey that will make it twitch ie running about like a headless chicken - this can happen.
Sorry if this sounds gloating or sadistic - truly it's not meant to be. It's better to be realistic and merciful.
Apologies to anyone who hates reading about this stuff - I don't like it myself but it's best to know what to do if needs be.
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Tawfik47
Fully Grown Royal
Czech Republic
1584 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2011 : 17:32:08
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I see, i'm trying to treat Blitz from his water blisters - wish me luck-
i think i'll leave him for a month, and then i'll try for the last time to feed him live prey,but if he will refuse, i'm gonna kick hamster's *** head
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I had a royal python (Blitz) for two years for those who are wondering what I'm doing here with my boa :D |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2011 : 19:12:06
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| asphyxiation is not quick and they are aware of whats happening, well quick as in takes about a minute to lose consciousness and upto about 5 minutes to actually be dead. We'll have to do a royal python test (not race people don't be arresting me) who can kill a rat quicker, a python or BATS. lol. My money is on the python in this case though, and BATS rat lives happily every after with the crazy cat lady of Wakey, lol. |
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 19:21:22
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LOL Bob, well, you said it - and apparently a co2 chamber is even slower than a snake.
Crazy snake lady ...
Well, I ain't no lady lol
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 19:28:16
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Surely if you really whacked a hamster with a hammer you'd just make an aweful mess and waste a good meal for hammy.
Couldn't you just crush its neck in yourr hand? I could imagine i'd break the neck and or spine of a hamster in less than a second ...? |
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 19:36:36
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Ever tried it?
If you walloped Hammy against something hard you might make a mess too. At least this way poor Hammy's immobilised and with a hard blow should know nothing more.
Euthanasing anything without a co2 chamber or more sophisticated means is pretty crude.
some people advocate trapping a rodent's neck beneath a broom handle and pressing down ...
I think we're bloody lucky to live in the uk where we can just order up our f/t and not have to worry about it - but if you do have to prekill, you have to be pdq ...
Like a snake ...
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MrsA82
Yearling
United Kingdom
437 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2011 : 19:37:51
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Heres mine that I use for my rats & mice if you need a guide
Remember your only putting them to sleep ;p
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2.4.0 Royal python
0.0.2 Cornsnake
1.1.0 Extreme red Albino Hognose
2.2.1 Crested Gecko
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2011 : 19:45:24
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How have you not painted a huge skull on that?
I'll shut up now my hatred for rodents is beginning to show.
Keep us updated with how you go tawf :D |
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MrsA82
Yearling
United Kingdom
437 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2011 : 19:49:33
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Because I wouldn't beable to have clear view ha ha ha haaaaaaa
Goos luck for tomoz tawf |
2.4.0 Royal python
0.0.2 Cornsnake
1.1.0 Extreme red Albino Hognose
2.2.1 Crested Gecko
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon
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